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    Re: Source: Wilson breaks $1 million

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    A very very small amount. Can you point to how many cases of actual voter fraud have taken place in the last 2 elections? Its going to be something really small. So there's nothing to prove the missouri election was the result of voter fraud. If you want state ID's to vote you're going to have to subsidize the old folk and poor who either don't have the time or money or transportation to get an ID. Otherwise you'll be disenfranchising a whole voter block. Then youll end up spending more money than it takes to find the very very few cases of voter fraud
    The "too poor" or "can't afford public transportation" schtick is really, really lame. I think you mean "too lazy" don't you? I mean, if they can make it out to vote on election day, can't they make it out one other day of the freaking year to get an ID? Maybe instead of funding groups like ACORN (who is the main culprit behind voter registration and voter fraud in the first place), we subsidize the poor and pay for their ID card with our taxpayer money? Nah, that would be too simple and pretty much close the door on voter fraud.
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    Re: Source: Wilson breaks $1 million

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    The "too poor" or "can't afford public transportation" schtick is really, really lame. I think you mean "too lazy" don't you? I mean, if they can make it out to vote on election day, can't they make it out one other day of the freaking year to get an ID? Maybe instead of funding groups like ACORN (who is the main culprit behind voter registration and voter fraud in the first place), we subsidize the poor and pay for their ID card with our taxpayer money? Nah, that would be too simple and pretty much close the door on voter fraud.
    No I mean extremely poor and elderly. There are many states down south where people may live in the same area for generations without moving. Remote backwater whatever you want to call it. Transportation is hard and they may not be able to afford an ID. Some don't even have a drivers license. So you're speaking of punishing those for a very small minute unprovable amount. Do you have any proof that any actual registrations by acorn have lead to voter fraud or are you speculating again?

    Again you're talking about the possible disenfranchisement of as much as tens of thousands of voters for about a possible hundred voter fraud cases over decades. Doesn't seem cost effective. Also without subsidizing ID cards you're talking about a poll tax.

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    Re: Source: Wilson breaks $1 million

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    No I mean extremely poor and elderly. There are many states down south where people may live in the same area for generations without moving. Remote backwater whatever you want to call it. Transportation is hard and they may not be able to afford an ID. Some don't even have a drivers license. So you're speaking of punishing those for a very small minute unprovable amount. Do you have any proof that any actual registrations by acorn have lead to voter fraud or are you speculating again?

    Again you're talking about the possible disenfranchisement of as much as tens of thousands of voters for about a possible hundred voter fraud cases over decades. Doesn't seem cost effective. Also without subsidizing ID cards you're talking about a poll tax.
    So how exactly do they make it to the polls on election day, but can't get out to get an ID on a single day over a 4-6 year period?
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Re: Source: Wilson breaks $1 million

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    So how exactly do they make it to the polls on election day, but can't get out to get an ID on a single day over a 4-6 year period?
    Never heard of absentee balloting? Car pools that are organized for election day. Again you're talking about the possible disenfranchisement of tens of thousands who may live in very remote areas, are poor or elderly for a virtually nonexistent voter fraud problem
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    Re: Source: Wilson breaks $1 million

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Never heard of absentee balloting?
    Absent from what, civilization? I live in the deep south. These folks have to go out to register for food stamps and re-register for it. They can't just "mail it in", they have to show up in person. So how is it they can do that, but can't get out to get an ID card? They have to have an ID card in order to get food stamps. You're using circular reasoning here instead of common sense. Try common sense, it might just show you the error of your logic.
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Re: Source: Wilson breaks $1 million

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    The "too poor" or "can't afford public transportation" schtick is really, really lame. I think you mean "too lazy" don't you? I mean, if they can make it out to vote on election day, can't they make it out one other day of the freaking year to get an ID? Maybe instead of funding groups like ACORN (who is the main culprit behind voter registration and voter fraud in the first place), we subsidize the poor and pay for their ID card with our taxpayer money? Nah, that would be too simple and pretty much close the door on voter fraud.
    It's not lame; it's real. Courts have upheld ID requirments, but only in states where the state provided free IDs to those who couldn't afford them, I thought.

    Wasn't that one of the reasons Missouri's was struck down? The court upheld Indiana's ID law, but IN provides free IDs:


    "Courts have upheld voter ID laws in Arizona, Georgia and Michigan, but struck down Missouri's. Monday's decision comes a week before Indiana's presidential primary."
    Supreme Court upholds voter ID law - Politics- msnbc.com

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    Re: Source: Wilson breaks $1 million

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    Absent from what, civilization? I live in the deep south. These folks have to go out to register for food stamps and re-register for it. They can't just "mail it in", they have to show up in person. So how is it they can do that, but can't get out to get an ID card? They have to have an ID card in order to get food stamps. You're using circular reasoning here instead of common sense. Try common sense, it might just show you the error of your logic.

    The ones who don't have it, don't get the benefits. I was just reading an article the other day about documentation causing harm to citizens who didn't have it. (Sorry no link, I don't have the article handy)

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    Re: Source: Wilson breaks $1 million

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Never heard of absentee balloting? Car pools that are organized for election day. Again you're talking about the possible disenfranchisement of tens of thousands who may live in very remote areas, are poor or elderly for a virtually nonexistent voter fraud problem

    I've never heard cases of false voter registrations actually being able to vote. Just ones that bunches of false registrations were rejected b/c of fraud.

    Wait, there was the Ann Coulter voter fraud case - FL and NY voting.

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    Re: Source: Wilson breaks $1 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Not if Acorn gets involved.
    I believe ACORN's days are numbered.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Source: Wilson breaks $1 million

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    No I mean extremely poor and elderly. There are many states down south where people may live in the same area for generations without moving. Remote backwater whatever you want to call it. Transportation is hard and they may not be able to afford an ID. Some don't even have a drivers license. So you're speaking of punishing those for a very small minute unprovable amount. Do you have any proof that any actual registrations by acorn have lead to voter fraud or are you speculating again?

    Again you're talking about the possible disenfranchisement of as much as tens of thousands of voters for about a possible hundred voter fraud cases over decades. Doesn't seem cost effective. Also without subsidizing ID cards you're talking about a poll tax.
    I bet when they get that welfare check in the mail, they don't have a problem getting to the grocery store to spend it. Or, when they wanna get their Obamacare free-bee, they won't be stuck at home with no ride.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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