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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    If you can only afford a Kia subcompact and not a Porsche, were you a victim of the "car dealership slow acceleration panel"?

    You do not have the right to steal from others, no matter how badly you may want it.
    You make a very valid point here. If you cannot affford to live then die and get out of the way of the living. Same goes for those who cannot afford to eat. They can starve to death ( lucky no one is actually starving is the USA).

    Your libertarian philosophy is so correct you know. Even insurance is communistic in principle. If that woman had the same insurance company that one of us did that means that my premium and yorsr went to pay for her cancer treament. How unfair. SHe was the one who went out and got cancer so why should he pay for it.

    This is just so unfair to the healthy policy holders. What did this woman think that she would get paid for getting sick. What an idiot she was.

    If she was to get paid for getting sick they would call it SICK INSURANCE it's called health insurance for Christ's sake.

    I think that I just figured out what is wrong with our health care system. We have too many sick people.
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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Per that blog, the problem she had with the insurance company was a 2 month wait for them to approve paying for medication which may have helped her.


    [Sutton] went two months without possible life-saving medications because her insurance wouldn’t cover it, another example of abusing the working poor, she said.

    “How in the world can it take so long to find out (whether they would cover the medicine or not) when it could be a matter of life or death,” she said. “It is almost like, in a way, committing murder.”

    She eventually received the medication, but the cancer is taking a toll on her strong will and solid frame.
    Not to sound callous, but while waiting for approval, she couldn't find a way to buy her meds herself??? If her life depended on it, than dammit find a friggen way. I had some issues w/an insurance company not approving some meds for my son when he was a baby. and there was no way I was going to let him suffer. I bought the sh*t myself until the ins co figured it out and reimbursed me.

    They say it was life or death. Mortgage your house. Beg a rich uncle. Go to your union. Do something to save yourself. Don;t just roll over and die because the insurance company had a snaffu. I honestly doubt Norma Rae would have just said, "Oh well. I guess I won't get the meds I need."

    edit: The insurance company paid for chemo, 2 surgeries and the meds she was previously denied. You guys make it sound like they just let her die while laughing all the way to the bank.
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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

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    Per that blog, the problem she had with the insurance company was a 2 month wait for them to approve paying for medication which may have helped her.




    Not to sound callous, but while waiting for approval, she couldn't find a way to buy her meds herself??? If her life depended on it, than dammit find a friggen way. I had some issues w/an insurance company not approving some meds for my son when he was a baby. and there was no way I was going to let him suffer. I bought the sh*t myself until the ins co figured it out and reimbursed me.

    They say it was life or death. Mortgage your house. Beg a rich uncle. Go to your union. Do something to save yourself. Don;t just roll over and die because the insurance company had a snaffu. I honestly doubt Norma Rae would have just said, "Oh well. I guess I won't get the meds I need."

    edit: The insurance company paid for chemo, 2 surgeries and the meds she was previously denied. You guys make it sound like they just let her die while laughing all the way to the bank.
    Paying fpr chemo and surgeries as long as they are not experimental is what we are supposed to do and that is what the person or organization who pays for the premium has agreed to with the insurance company. I didn't see why her meds were temporarily denied but were they not generic or maybe they were not part of the company's grug formulary. She needs to know that she should not get a disease that requires a drug that is not in the formulary.

    She obviously did not plan this out too well.
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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Per that blog, the problem she had with the insurance company was a 2 month wait for them to approve paying for medication which may have helped her.




    Not to sound callous, but while waiting for approval, she couldn't find a way to buy her meds herself??? If her life depended on it, than dammit find a friggen way. I had some issues w/an insurance company not approving some meds for my son when he was a baby. and there was no way I was going to let him suffer. I bought the sh*t myself until the ins co figured it out and reimbursed me.

    They say it was life or death. Mortgage your house. Beg a rich uncle. Go to your union. Do something to save yourself. Don;t just roll over and die because the insurance company had a snaffu. I honestly doubt Norma Rae would have just said, "Oh well. I guess I won't get the meds I need."

    edit: The insurance company paid for chemo, 2 surgeries and the meds she was previously denied. You guys make it sound like they just let her die while laughing all the way to the bank.
    Buy the drug, later if you you are still alive challenge the company's decision or go to arbitration is you have them in your state.
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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Wait a minuyte Norma Rae isn't she from a right to die state. Or maybe it was a right to work ( for low wages ) state. !!
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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Paying fpr chemo and surgeries as long as they are not experimental is what we are supposed to do and that is what the person or organization who pays for the premium has agreed to with the insurance company. I didn't see why her meds were temporarily denied but were they not generic or maybe they were not part of the company's grug formulary. She needs to know that she should not get a disease that requires a drug that is not in the formulary.

    She obviously did not plan this out too well.

    Well you can debate emotionally and sarcastically all you want, but that doesn't change the facts here. The only issue with the ins co cited in this article is a 2 month denial of a drug that might have helped a little. They did not deny chemotherapy or 2 surgeries. During those 2 months without approval of the meds, there is no way a woman like Norma Rae is just going to say, oh never mind. If it were me, I would beg, borrow or steal the money to pay for the meds and deal with (or have someone else deal with) the insurance company during those months. She obviously was able to get them to reverse the decision. READ THE ARTICLE. Where was this woman's family, friends and union to help her pay for those meds while waiting for the ins co?

    Your emotions are being played upon (and preyed upon) by Daniel Tencer and Danarhea. And while the knee-jerkers are ignoring the facts and crying murder, you're exploiting a woman's death to further your own agenda.
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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    [...] Unions do not steal from any one, which is one of their few positive points.
    Unions only exist through government force.

    In a free society, joining a union that is against your employer's rules would naturally get you fired, escorted off the employer's property, blacklisted, and you'll have a very hard time finding work ever again. By using the guns of state to "protect" them, unions violate the employer's natural rights! (And the "employer" could in fact be millions of stockholders of very diverse backgrounds and income levels.)

    Furthermore, by unfairly raising the wages and other employment costs of unionized workers, unions hurt the consumers as well. By making it more difficult to fire unionized employees, unions hurt unemployed individuals all over the world who would gladly compete for the unionized worker's place. Etc.

    The irony here is that since unionization hurts economic growth, and since faster economic growth leads to faster medical advances and lower cost, her life's work actually contributed to her own death just a bit! And everyone else's too!


    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    [...] If you cannot affford to live then die and get out of the way of the living. [...]
    Human beings evolved over millions of years. The human life expectancy used to be around 20 a few thousand years ago. Living to the age of 68 would be rare even a few hundred years ago. It is materialistic advances that make ever-expanding life-spans (and someday perhaps even immortality) possible.

    Those material advances don't just fall from the sky because you want them to, they must be created first. In order for them to be created, people must work to create them. In order for people to work, they must be incentivized to do so. Those incentives have to come from somewhere. The most fair and efficient way of paying all those costs is to require individuals to pull their own economic weight: you want a cookie, you pay for a cookie. In absence of that, the incentive to make cookies crumbles!
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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Well you can debate emotionally and sarcastically all you want, but that doesn't change the facts here. The only issue with the ins co cited in this article is a 2 month denial of a drug that might have helped a little. They did not deny chemotherapy or 2 surgeries. During those 2 months without approval of the meds, there is no way a woman like Norma Rae is just going to say, oh never mind. If it were me, I would beg, borrow or steal the money to pay for the meds and deal with (or have someone else deal with) the insurance company during those months. She obviously was able to get them to reverse the decision. READ THE ARTICLE. Where was this woman's family, friends and union to help her pay for those meds while waiting for the ins co?

    Your emotions are being played upon (and preyed upon) by Daniel Tencer and Danarhea. And while the knee-jerkers are ignoring the facts and crying murder, you're exploiting a woman's death to further your own agenda.


    Seriously, you gave an excellent presentation of reality.

    If your life is in such serious jeopardy, is money even a consideration for yourself at all?
    I'd take out a loan, mortgage my house, anything to preserve my life.
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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Insurance company death panel strikes again. It is notable that insurance company death panels routinely sentence people to death each and every day. It is also notable that, under either the Democratic or Republican health plans in Congress, this would be a criminal act. If the Republicans get what they want, that is, no Obama Care, Liberals should still be happy that insurance company death panels would be illegal. Liberals and Conservatives can argue all they want about the rest, but don't you think this would be a decent first step? IMHO, this provision, under the plans from BOTH sides, would be the American thing to do. Whatever we argue about on the rest of either plan, this provision needs to be passed NOW.

    Article is here.
    That's one thing I find funny about this whole "death panel" thing. There does exist one already, it's through the insurance companies. They want you to pay in and then die suddenly and inexpensively. They'll fight all the while to keep from paying out, even going so far as dropping people for unrelated, minor issues.

    I don't think what Obama wants is the proper direction or would help alleviate this problem. But there is a problem and we need some intelligent discussion and legislation on this subject. Fat chance though.
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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    You do not have the right to steal from others, no matter how badly you may want it.
    This is the mentality that will bring down US Citizens' livelihood and hand it to the insurance companies and medical suppliers in the future. Thanks, but no thanks. Why you want more expensive health care and not more money in your pocket is beyond me. This proves the naysayers wrong about UHC. People with UHC live longer and pay less for their health care, not more.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=110997469

    Do your homework and back UHC!
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    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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