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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Unions cannot have any effect without violence.
    This is false. Unions have effects every day without violence.

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Unions cannot have any effect without violence.
    Prove it, also still waiting for the Proof on Norma Rae you made a very bold and blanket statement so back it up with real proof.

    Oh so when the Union goes on strike and the Company Owners send in Scabs and Police to break up the strike yea your right on that part.

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is false. Unions have effects every day without violence.
    Then why does anyone hire unionized workers, thereby paying more money without getting more value in return?


    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Oh so when the Union goes on strike and the Company Owners send in Scabs and Police to break up the strike yea your right on that part.
    Thank you for not being entirely ignorant of property rights. (I don't believe in government police though, a private defense agency would be much more trustworthy and cost-effective.)
    Last edited by Alex Libman; 09-13-09 at 08:03 PM.

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Then why does anyone hire unionized workers, thereby paying more money without getting more value in return?




    Thank you for not being entirely ignorant of property rights. (I don't believe in government police though, a private defense agency would be much more trustworthy and cost-effective.)
    Your problem is you want to live in this imaginary land that does not and cannot exist. The rest of us are busy living in and discussing the real world.

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Prove it, also still waiting for the Proof on Norma Rae you made a very bold and blanket statement so back it up with real proof.

    Oh so when the Union goes on strike and the Company Owners send in Scabs and Police to break up the strike yea your right on that part.
    Unions can be good or bad, depending on the situation. For the sweat shops, unions were a very good thing. However, let me relate to you a true story from my own life that demonstrates that unions can be a very bad thing under some circumstances.

    In 1974 and 1975, I was working for Lear-Siegler in Grand Rapids, Michigan, troubleshooting AYN-1 and DC-130 navigational computers. One day, I needed a piece of test equipment that I did not have in my rack, so I went to another rack that nobody was using, where the piece of test equipment I needed was, and took it and brought it to my rack. I did this because I would have had to sit on my ass for several hours for the following reasons:

    1) A test equipment calibrator must be called to come over and take out the screws holding the test equipment to the rack.

    2) A lugger then must be called to move the piece of test equipment.

    3) Once the equipment is at your rack, you still could not use it until a test equipment calibrator was called over to put the screws in and secure it to your rack.

    Because I violated this procedure, and because I did not want to sit on my ass doing nothing, I was fined 50 bucks by the UAW, which was the union I had to be in to work at Lear-Siegler. A few weeks later, I got a job at Texas Instruments, and moved to Houston - No union required, and that suited me just fine.

    Here is the problem with unions - At first, they are needed so that workers can make a living wage. But after its primary goals are achieved, the union has a new goal - Gaining power, and in the course of achieving that power, priorities go out the window.
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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Your problem is you want to live in this imaginary land that does not and cannot exist. The rest of us are busy living in and discussing the real world.
    We are both discussing the real world right now. The difference is that my moral philosophy recognizes individual rights and your philosophy violently violates them.

    My moral philosophy teaches men to fish, your moral philosophy makes them dependent on stealing other people's fish until there's no more fish to steal, and then they starve.

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    We are both discussing the real world right now. The difference is that my moral philosophy recognizes individual rights and your philosophy violently violates them.

    My moral philosophy teaches men to fish, your moral philosophy makes them dependent on stealing other people's fish until there's no more fish to steal, and then they starve.
    Apparently your moral philosophy is to misrepresent other peoples beliefs to some extreme you can argue against. Unions do not steal from any one, which is one of their few positive points.

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Unions can be good or bad, depending on the situation. For the sweat shops, unions were a very good thing. However, let me relate to you a true story from my own life that demonstrates that unions can be a very bad thing under some circumstances.

    In 1974 and 1975, I was working for Lear-Siegler in Grand Rapids, Michigan, troubleshooting AYN-1 and DC-130 navigational computers. One day, I needed a piece of test equipment that I did not have in my rack, so I went to another rack that nobody was using, where the piece of test equipment I needed was, and took it and brought it to my rack. I did this because I would have had to sit on my ass for several hours for the following reasons:

    1) A test equipment calibrator must be called to come over and take out the screws holding the test equipment to the rack.

    2) A lugger then must be called to move the piece of test equipment.

    3) Once the equipment is at your rack, you still could not use it until a test equipment calibrator was called over to put the screws in and secure it to your rack.

    Because I violated this procedure, and because I did not want to sit on my ass doing nothing, I was fined 50 bucks by the UAW, which was the union I had to be in to work at Lear-Siegler. A few weeks later, I got a job at Texas Instruments, and moved to Houston - No union required, and that suited me just fine.

    Here is the problem with unions - At first, they are needed so that workers can make a living wage. But after its primary goals are achieved, the union has a new goal - Gaining power, and in the course of achieving that power, priorities go out the window.
    I have always felt the problem with unions is that the union leaders tend to forget who they are working for, and get caught up in a win at any cost mentality. It's a generalization, but I think a fair one. Unions do a lot of good, but they manage to make a lot of messes as well.

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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Yes there is all the time one of the many reason many Canuks come to America for health Treatment.
    Another fallacy.
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    Re: Real ‘Norma Rae’ dead of cancer after battle with health insurer

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Another fallacy.
    Really prove it then, I'm from Maine have family in New Hampshire and Upper State New York who work in Hospitals and health Providers and they have since the mid 80s seen more and more Canadians come down t the US for all sort of treatment do to the fact they can't get coverage.

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