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    Re: Canadian Gets Life for Driving Drunk

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I do not. Do you also believe that people who shoplift should have their extremities amputated, thus taking away their ability to steal again?
    Nope. But shop lifting doesn't cause hundreds or thousand of deaths each year.
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    Re: Canadian Gets Life for Driving Drunk

    Quote Originally Posted by Shep Dawg View Post
    Nope. But shop lifting doesn't cause hundreds or thousand of deaths each year.
    Cigarettes do. Let's kill all the people who work for cigarette companies.

    Your position is a joke.
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    Re: Canadian Gets Life for Driving Drunk

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    ]Robbing a bank always harms someone. Even with it being one of the leading causes of motor vehicle accidents, comparatively drunk driving rarely harms anyone. When it does of course they should be punished. But when most drunk drivers are pulled over they are fully capable of driving a vehicle, they are simply over an arbitrary limit placed at .08 just for the hell of it.
    How does robbing a bank always harm someone? The funds are insured. I don't disagree that the .08 is an arbitrary limit. I wouldn't be opposed to raising the BAC for DUI. I don't know what a more realistic BAC would be, but I agree that most people with a drink or two can safely operate a motor vehicle. I'm referring to people that are obviously drunk, and pose a danger.
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    Re: Canadian Gets Life for Driving Drunk

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Cigarettes do. Let's kill all the people who work for cigarette companies.

    Your position is a joke.
    The last time I checked, cigarettes are legal. That is a really weak argument. But calling my position a joke, well clearly I have no defense for such a well thought out response. I concede to your obviously superior intellect. Sheesh...
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    Re: Canadian Gets Life for Driving Drunk

    Quote Originally Posted by Shep Dawg View Post
    The last time I checked, cigarettes are legal.
    Yet they kill more people than anything else in this country...
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    Re: Canadian Gets Life for Driving Drunk

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Yet they kill more people than anything else in this country...
    Which has what to do with DUI exactly?
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    Re: Canadian Gets Life for Driving Drunk

    Quote Originally Posted by Shep Dawg View Post
    Which has what to do with DUI exactly?
    Nothing, unless you consider the fact that they both kill people. I know I'm getting off-topic here, I just find your position on punishments for crimes to be quite amusing/sad/pathetic all at the same time.
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    Re: Canadian Gets Life for Driving Drunk

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Nothing, unless you consider the fact that they both kill people. I know I'm getting off-topic here, I just find your position on punishments for crimes to be quite amusing/sad/pathetic all at the same time.
    Again to be clear, I don't consider someone having a glass of wine, or a beer or two with dinner to be a problem. I even stated earlier that I would be OK with raising the BAC requirement for DUI. I'm referring to people that are drunk, and pose a danger to others. There is NO excuse to ever drive drunk. Call a cab. If the penalty was more harsh, many thousand lives could be saved.

    Smoking most dangerous to the person actually doing the smoking. I know second hand smoke poses a danger, but I can walk away, and generally avoid it. With a drunk driver, not so much.
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    Re: Canadian Gets Life for Driving Drunk

    Quote Originally Posted by Shep Dawg View Post
    Again to be clear, I don't consider someone having a glass of wine, or a beer or two with dinner to be a problem. I even stated earlier that I would be OK with raising the BAC requirement for DUI. I'm referring to people that are drunk, and pose a danger to others. There is NO excuse to ever drive drunk. Call a cab. If the penalty was more harsh, many thousand lives could be saved.
    I agree that there is no need to drive drunk and no excuse for doing so. However, your suggestion that one's ability to ever own, operate or register a car for the rest of their life be taken away is absurdly harsh. People make mistakes and I certainly believe in second chances.

    Smoking most dangerous to the person actually doing the smoking. I know second hand smoke poses a danger, but I can walk away, and generally avoid it. With a drunk driver, not so much.
    Actually, second hand smoke poses virtually no danger. The idea that it does is merely ignorant propaganda that people continue to perpetuate.

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    Re: Canadian Gets Life for Driving Drunk

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I agree that there is no need to drive drunk and no excuse for doing so. However, your suggestion that one's ability to ever own, operate or register a car for the rest of their life be taken away is absurdly harsh. People make mistakes and I certainly believe in second chances.


    Actually, second hand smoke poses virtually no danger. The idea that it does is merely ignorant propaganda that people continue to perpetuate.

    The Facts about second hand smoke - Home
    LOL... Wow, I'm impressed. Most people don't know that about second hand smoke. I was aware of it, but really didn't want to debate second hand smoke, so I just went with the status quo there. And I don't smoke cigarettes.

    OK, on the harshness of my position. Maybe we could agree for it on the 2nd offense?

    I still think the first offense should be more harsh than it currently is in most states. Can we agree on that?
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