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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

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    You mean like the National Enquirer fabrication about Johnathan Edwards having a poorly concealed affair while his wife claimed to battling cancer? Oh! Wait!
    YEa so they got one story right out of a billion congrats! Even the Mail has correct stories you know.
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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

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    Sometimes as much as it hurts it is better to "pull the plug."
    Spoken like someone who has never been on the wrong end of the plug that is pulled.
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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    So let me get this straight:

    You would rather look at a dollar symbol to determine who is and who is not worthy of life?

    Very humane of you.
    Unfortunately you have to look at the dollar symbol and the potential benefit. Healthcare is not available in infinite resources. As such, rationing will occur. With insurance companies, the insurance companies decide what's too experimental to cover. Without insurance companies it's rationed by how much you can afford to pay out of pocket. With government it's rationed the same as with insurance companies.

    A rationing mechanism must exist, at least until we discover how to create unlimited resources.

    It's not a simple choice of life or death for one fetus. Spending the money on 21 week fetus means that money is not available for others. You would be killing someone else instead.
    Last edited by vvx; 09-11-09 at 08:02 AM.

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Currently, we are rationed health care by insurance companies, who run on profits and profits alone. They are the true "death panels" in our society. And guess what? Health insurance companies aren't regulated to any significant degree, so if they don't feel like losing their profits to granny and her terminal cancer needs, granny croaks.

    Why doesn't that bother you?
    Well pretty simple actually:

    A)insurance companies dont tell you its a right, then ration that right.
    B)I understand that insurance is not a blanket cover for everything under the sun.
    C)They are binding contracts YOU willfully sign.
    D)Its not mandatory that you have insurance.
    E)Profits are not evil.
    F)They are not death panels.
    G)Insurance is heavily regulated, if you cant and dont know about this, then you have absolutely ZERO room to talk. Government dictates what the basics are state to state.
    H)These are some of the reasons private health insurance companies dont bother me.

    Your hatred for anything not government run, is gonna enslave us all and then nobody will have any choice. Is health insurance expensive? Yes, some are. But have you looked to see the mechanisms that are making those rates expensive? Probably not, which is why you harp on the "evil insurance company making profits" stuff.

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    Unfortunately you have to look at the dollar symbol and the potential benefit. Healthcare is not available in infinite resources. As such, rationing will occur. With insurance companies, the insurance companies decide what's too experimental to cover. Without insurance companies it's rationed by how much you can afford to pay out of pocket. With government it's rationed the same as with insurance companies.

    A rationing mechanism must exist, at least until we discover how to create unlimited resources.

    It's not a simple choice of life or death for one fetus. Spending the money on 21 week fetus means that money is not available for others. You would be killing someone else instead.
    I know all about limited resources. You dont have to explain it to me.

    Fact is these liberals are telling people healthcare is a right. Well, a right is not rationable. Rights are not tied to monetary funds. You cant run out of a right to something.

    Insurance by default, are not limitless. Nor is the government. I would much rather see healthcare at the private level then at the government level, b/c at least at the private level, people have recourse and can take action against them. At the government level? Not so much, unless you can show me where citizens are able to opt out of government programs like SS or Medicare. This "public option", is no option at all. Not if you pay attention to what they are saying about moving to a single payer system, their idea is to get rid of private insurance altogether, and if people dont wake up, their entire lives will be run and dictated by the government according to whatever health standard all the government "experts" claim them to be that particular day.

    Why you folks, cant see this, I havent the slightest clue. Lack of foresight and basic understanding of history and the constant want of government to accumulate more power unto itself isnt hard to find throughout history. People have become mentally lazy and have quit fighting against tyrannical, overbearing government for some reason.

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Who says I am playing God? I say let God determine if a fetus survives.
    The doctors should stay out of it. Doctors and religious do-gooders are the ones playing god, trying to make people have their babies against their will, and force children to be raised by parents who don't want them.
    Wow, you comment couldnt be more out of wack.

    So doctors are playing God by saving lives? Are you some sort of extreme naturalist or something? Should we just run back to the caveman days and forget about making our lives better?

    Nobody is making people have babies against their will. If they are, they are prosecuted for it.

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    It sounds to me like this Catholic Priest, is just another weak kneed liberal Priest. There is not 50 million people without insurance. So right there, that tells me he doesnt have a clue.

    Plus, its pretty difficult to preach Christ's teachings while your dictating whose life is worth saving. I am pretty sure Christ's teachings would be something along the lines of all are worthy in the eyes of the Lord. I dont recall anything concerning monetary matters about Christ saving his brethern.

    And we wonder why the Catholic Church in America is in trouble? This Priest is a perfect example.

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    It sounds to me like this Catholic Priest, is just another weak kneed liberal Priest. There is not 50 million people without insurance. So right there, that tells me he doesnt have a clue.

    Plus, its pretty difficult to preach Christ's teachings while your dictating whose life is worth saving. I am pretty sure Christ's teachings would be something along the lines of all are worthy in the eyes of the Lord. I dont recall anything concerning monetary matters about Christ saving his brethern.

    And we wonder why the Catholic Church in America is in trouble? This Priest is a perfect example.
    he's not a priest....did you read the article?

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Wow, you comment couldnt be more out of wack.

    So doctors are playing God by saving lives? Are you some sort of extreme naturalist or something? Should we just run back to the caveman days and forget about making our lives better?

    Nobody is making people have babies against their will. If they are, they are prosecuted for it.
    your poorly formed opinion is noted....and you know that is not what I am saying.
    Doctors are there to provide treatment where such treatment makes sense, but NOT to make decisions to keep terminal patients alive a few more days at great expense to the public, or to stretch the boundaries trying to find out if an extremely premature baby might "make it", no matter the cost.

    Doctors kept one of my nephews alive, spending large sums of money performing surgeries right after birth, only to tell the parents that the boy would not live 6 months. He was retarded, never spoke, never weighed over 20pounds, essentially never developed; but he lived 42 months and the financial and emotional strain on the family was considerable. A local doctor went to the hospital and threatened the doctors involved, either reduce or eliminate your fees or face him in court in behalf of the parents.
    Those doctors never told the parents, IN ADVANCE, all the issues, they just decided to play God. Like some posters here, they have no conscience when it comes to making other people suffer needlessly, all in the name of medical science....
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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    It sounds to me like this Catholic Priest, is just another weak kneed liberal Priest. There is not 50 million people without insurance. So right there, that tells me he doesnt have a clue.

    Plus, its pretty difficult to preach Christ's teachings while your dictating whose life is worth saving. I am pretty sure Christ's teachings would be something along the lines of all are worthy in the eyes of the Lord. I dont recall anything concerning monetary matters about Christ saving his brethern.

    And we wonder why the Catholic Church in America is in trouble? This Priest is a perfect example.
    One thing the Catholic Church is, is very firm on the issue of pro-life.

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