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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    It sure is hell is fair.

    Sorry if you find the truth to hard to swallow. Letting a human being die b/c it didnt make it to a certain age is freaking asinine. But that is what you get with government run horse****.

    Do you listen to what your saying? Your premise is that rationing care is OK. Either healthcare is a right, as all the progressive liberals claim it to be, or it isnt. You cant pick and choose who deserves the right and who doesnt based on age.




    Who said anything about wages? If you want living wages, then you dont go send the government in to take it over.....lol.

    I am just amazed how people are defending the rationing of care through the government, after the government claimed that wouldnt happen.

    Cost will always rise as long as we the insuree, is playing with someone elses money. Why do you think it is cheaper if you buy things direct? You take out the middle man who drives up cost.
    You obviously don't know too much about medicine. Also, you have a disrespectful way of discussing the subject, requiring the auto-censor to bleep out words regularly.

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i read it....i just don't necessarily believe a lay person's opinion that his life could have been saved.
    How do you know when they dont try?....lol.

    What in the world??????

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    You obviously don't know too much about medicine. Also, you have a disrespectful way of discussing the subject, requiring the auto-censor to bleep out words regularly.
    No, I sure dont, I only have 2 doctors, a PA, and about 4 nurses in my immediate family, along with a dosemitrist (spelling sorry)....lol.

    You dont like the way I bring my arguement, then dont comment to me. I dont have time for bull****. Nitty-gritty is what I am after.

    Someone says they dont know if it would have helped the baby, I say, how the hell do you know unless you try to save the baby?

    Rationing care through the government, when the government says care is a right kind of bothers me. It should bother everyone else too. Unless you dont understand and cant comrehend what a "right" actually is, if that be the case, then its time to figure out what a right actually is.

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Here's one Catholic theologen's take on this subject.

    Theology Professor Explores Hard Moral Choices
    in Neo-Natal Care


    His project, “Treatment of Critically Ill Newborns: The Social Quality of Life Model in Light of Catholic Social Teaching,” examines the ethics of withholding or withdrawing life-sustaining treatments for profoundly ill newborns, rather than spending millions on life support systems, therapies and lifelong institutional care. Camosy, who is using his grant to finish a book on the subject, Too Expensive to Treat? Limited Healthcare Resources and the Neonatal ICU for Eerdmans Publishing, admitted that he may be pressing a hot button once again.

    A devout Roman Catholic, Camosy said that a case can be made for withholding treatment from profoundly ill newborns by using the church’s distinction between “ordinary” and “extraordinary” treatment. Church teachings require that all means of “ordinary,” or proportionate, treatment must be administered to the sick or dying. But omissions or curtailments of “extraordinary,” or disproportionate, treatments are considered morally and ethically acceptable.

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Theology Professor Explores Hard Moral Choices
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    “Nobody wants to talk about this issue,” Camosy said. “Our society has a limited amount of money to spend on health care, and we need to allocate it in ways that will help more people, instead of blindly spending it.

    “My first move is to uphold the full moral value of even the sickest newborn babies. They do not count less than any other human life,” said Camosy. But, he said, it also means that they do not count more. Therefore, the disbursal of resources might lead to a situation, given health care constraints, where doctors might have to choose between a 47-year-old diabetic and a 24-week-old baby, he said.

    “We mustn’t sweep this problem under the rug by hiding behind easy euphemisms like, ‘You can’t put a price on life,’” he said. “When you have a society that has 50 million people without health insurance, you have to allocate resources fairly. How can society justify spending $30 million on one patient?”

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Rationing care through the government, when the government says care is a right kind of bothers me.
    Currently, we are rationed health care by insurance companies, who run on profits and profits alone. They are the true "death panels" in our society. And guess what? Health insurance companies aren't regulated to any significant degree, so if they don't feel like losing their profits to granny and her terminal cancer needs, granny croaks.

    Why doesn't that bother you?
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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    No matter what system we end up with, we need some sorts of limits to ensure we don't go broke. Having HMOs pool financial resources or the government doing it are both forms of socialized medicine.

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i read it....i just don't necessarily believe a lay person's opinion that his life could have saved.




    so you air on the side of death.


    Tell me, could you sit there and watch the infant die?
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    so you air on the side of death.


    Tell me, could you sit there and watch the infant die?
    Did you mean 'err'?

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    Re: 'Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby'

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Did you mean 'err'?


    I sure did. Thanks!
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