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    Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform


    Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ?no? on healthcare reform - TheHill.com

    At least 23 House Democrats already have told constituents or hometown media that they oppose the massive healthcare overhaul touted by President Barack Obama.

    If Republicans offer the blanket opposition they’ve promised, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) can afford to lose only 38 members of her 256-member caucus and still pass the bill.



    Most Democrats opposed to healthcare reform argue it costs too much, imposes a new tax and fines businesses that don’t provide insurance to employees. Some fear that the bill would subsidize abortion.


    It looks as if the town hall protesters are having an impact. This bill seems to be dying a good death, slowly but surely...

    We can not afford it, and we can not pay for it.

    Even if Obama gets his way and raises the "Debt ceiling"


    Senate must raise debt ceiling above $12T - TheHill.com
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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    The real news here is the debt ceiling has reached $12 trillion dollars.

    When are the American people going to wake up and say enough of this insanity from the Democrats?


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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The real news here is the debt ceiling has reached $12 trillion dollars.

    When are the American people going to wake up and say enough of this insanity from the Democrats?

    It took them 2 election cycles to wake up and say enough of this insanity from the Republicans, so I have my doubts that it'll be any sooner with Democrats. However, as outragously unfiscally sound, over the top, and irresponsable the Republicans were the past 8 years the Democrats have attempted to one up them recently, so maybe it'll go faster. I have my doubts though.

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    pelosi/obama are asking for way too much when they expect these poor freshmen from districts that voted for mccain and bluedogs across the country to stick their necks out for a public option that has no chance in upper house

    this is a big part of what's going on

    we're not gonna expose ourselves for that which has no chance upstairs

    and, yes, absolutely, the face of america, as seen in hundreds of townhalls, is dominating this entire debate

    when's the last time you heard the word "astroturf?"

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    It looks as if the town hall protesters are having an impact. This bill seems to be dying a good death, slowly but surely...

    We can not afford it, and we can not pay for it.

    Even if Obama gets his way and raises the "Debt ceiling"


    Senate must raise debt ceiling above $12T - TheHill.com


    It will pass, Rev. But the margin will be with no room to spare.

    Question re: The Hill. I would have thought that would have to be posted in Blogs rather than MSM b/c it's primary means of distribution is electronic. I am asking sincerely, b/c I was just reading the guidelines when trying to figure out where to post Roll Call. I ended up posting a Roll Call, Politico, and TPM article, so I went to Blogs even tho none are actually blogs. Does the Hill count as MSM, or blogs, for BN requirements. TIA ~~

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It took them 2 election cycles to wake up and say enough of this insanity from the Republicans, so I have my doubts that it'll be any sooner with Democrats. However, as outragously unfiscally sound, over the top, and irresponsable the Republicans were the past 8 years the Democrats have attempted to one up them recently, so maybe it'll go faster. I have my doubts though.
    As a once famous Republican President once said; "there you go again."

    I find your over the top gross exaggerations of the Bush Presidency and Republicans fascinating in light of the current environment. You sound more like a hysterical emotional Librul when you make such farcical claims about the Bush Administration in a debate about the current one.

    But once again, much like a Librul, you want to play the "Bush" card as if it had even the remotest relevance to what is occurring now.

    Bush had to contend with 9-11, a HUGE disaster, two wars of which were complete BI-PARTISAN Congressional support for with vast public support and a major natural disaster on a major American City.

    Now I know it is fun to pretend 9-11 never happened and to fabricate the nonsensical notion that the wars were by choice and based on lies and they were poorly managed; but that is just hyperbolic baloney.

    The Republicans did push some agendas I was in disagreement with, but they were the beloved realm of bi-partisan cooperation you and Libruls so desperately rail about.

    So here is your REALITY check and the bottom line; the worst deficit during the Republican controlled Congress was $200 billion. A Republican led congress I would add that was the first in over five decades to actually balance a budget. So your farcical rhetoric aside, how can anyone compare what happened during the Republican held Congress to what we are now seeing; $12 trillion in debt and deficits projected at $10 trillion over the next ten years with NO end in sight?


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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    People are waking up. Alot of them realize they've been asleep for a long time.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    It will pass, Rev. But the margin will be with no room to spare.
    On this, you are probably correct. It will be interesting to watch and any Republican who supports it most likely will not see re-election in their districts.

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    On this, you are probably correct. It will be interesting to watch and any Republican who supports it most likely will not see re-election in their districts.
    I hope it does pass. It will only be that much more insurance of the Dems getting their asses voted out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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