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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Jackolope,

    Good find!

    Still, as I posted earlier to this thread (see post #16), I think H.R. 3200 will get scaled down. This memo from Sen. Max Baucus, Chairman, Senate Finance Committe, pretty much confirms that. It merely summarizes what the SFC have previously proposed in the "Policy Option". I wouldn't be surprised if aspects of the "Policy Option" and H.R. 3200 are combined to make up the final health care reform bill.

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    If we don't pass a public option or single payer, we are all screwed. I'm tired of being governed by the big corporations.
    What a fascinatingly uninformed statement; you are tired of the "perception" that big corporations somehow govern you, which they can't, but okay being governed by political operatives who lie to get elected; stunning.

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    The majority of Americans want this and those who are against it are against their own best interests.
    This is a lie; if it were true, the Democrats who have publicly stated that they no longer support the bill based on their constituents would be voting FOR the bill.

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Those countries in the world with this sort of system do very well.
    Another lie made in a vacuum of reality or the facts; those nations that have these welfare systems have historically had much higher unemployment, much higher taxes, much higher costs of goods and services and historically much lower GDP.

    Most nations in the EU are struggling with the burden of their social welfare systems and are desperately seeking to re-structure them in an effort to stem the burden of having to raise taxes even higher to continue paying for their largess.

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    I'm curious when our senators are going to stop taking bribes and actually vote for what is best for our nation as a whole.
    No facts here, just a nonsensical statement unsupported by facts or reality.

    It certainly begs the question why Liberals have to lie and distort facts in order to make a case for the desperate desire to become wards of the State. I honestly doubt that anyone can make a rational argument for such denial.


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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The real news here is the debt ceiling has reached $12 trillion dollars.

    When are the American people going to wake up and say enough of this insanity from the Democrats?

    Democrats? How about enough insanity from from both parties? Last time I checked, George W. Bush pushed for a bailout, but maybe that slipped your mind.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Democrats? How about enough insanity from from both parties? Last time I checked, George W. Bush pushed for a bailout, but maybe that slipped your mind.
    Because Bush pushed for it makes it right?

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Because Bush pushed for it makes it right?
    Is that what I said? Bush was the Republican President and pushed for a bailout. Now you are up in arms because Democrats want to raise the deficit? How about you cut the partisan nonsense and realize that it's not just Democrats making stupid decisions in government?
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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Is that what I said?
    That is exactly what you are implying with your nonsensical answer to my comments.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Bush was the Republican President and pushed for a bailout. Now you are up in arms because Democrats want to raise the deficit?
    What makes you PRESUME I wasn't up in arms about the Financial Bailout? Again, it begs the question, WTF does Bush have to do with Democrats spending us into a $1.8 trillion deficit with $12 trillion in debt?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    How about you cut the partisan nonsense and realize that it's not just Democrats making stupid decisions in government?
    How about you cut out the nonsensical "partisan" rhetoric and deal with the facts? Please explain to me what is NOT “partisan” about politics; I will laughingly wait for your response.

    Now back to the FACTS: Democrats are in charge and are the ones spending us into a massive hole. What parts of this do you continue to NOT get and, once again, what part of this has ANYTHING to do with Bush, who is no longer President by the way, or Republicans, who are no longer in charge by the way?


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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Jackolope,

    Good find!

    Still, as I posted earlier to this thread (see post #16), I think H.R. 3200 will get scaled down. This memo from Sen. Max Baucus, Chairman, Senate Finance Committe, pretty much confirms that. It merely summarizes what the SFC have previously proposed in the "Policy Option". I wouldn't be surprised if aspects of the "Policy Option" and H.R. 3200 are combined to make up the final health care reform bill.

    thx, ob voice I remember that post from earlier ... I meant to 'thanks' it.

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    If health insurance industry operated like a legitimate business, I might give them a sympathetic ear, but it is because they don't function like a legitimate business we have even come to this point to begin with. So protecting the private sector gets etched out of the equation.

    Anyway, 23 Democrats isn't very many, especially for the Democrats.

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Jackolope,

    Good find!

    Still, as I posted earlier to this thread (see post #16), I think H.R. 3200 will get scaled down. This memo from Sen. Max Baucus, Chairman, Senate Finance Committe, pretty much confirms that. It merely summarizes what the SFC have previously proposed in the "Policy Option". I wouldn't be surprised if aspects of the "Policy Option" and H.R. 3200 are combined to make up the final health care reform bill.
    Any package passed this year will be much less than Obama wanted, which does not bother me much. I am willing to bet that what will happen is that the blue dogs get pulled aside, asked what is the most they can vote for, and a bill with just that will get through.

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    That's what I think too. I refuse to get invested n any bill or plan until the conference committee meets. I'm hoping Dean is right, and the public option will be put in during conference. Ahthough .... wouldn't it have to be in the house bill to make it into the committee report? Can they just put stuff in a conference report that wasn't in either the house or senate bills?

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