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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I didn't say we should be. I was addressing a specific point of yours.
    Okay, it is lost on me, what was the specific point you were addressing from my comments to Zyph?

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Your desperate assertions are the definition of irony; please share with me where Democrats have been more fiscally responsible? I await a credible and coherent answer with this FACT: The only Congress, which is the ONLY entity which has the power to spend taxpayer money that has had a surplus in the last 50 years, has been a Republican one.

    Here is another FACT: Since the Democrats took over the power of the purse, the deficit has gone from under $300 billion to over $1.8 trillion. Please explain to me how this is fiscally responsible.

    Now either you completely fail to comprehend the definition of fiscally responsible, or you are just entering into hyper partisan hyperbolic blather in a desperate effort to defend your party for purely hyper partisan purposes that have NOTHING to do with the facts; which is it?
    Srsly? Go back, links posted.

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Okay, it is lost on me, what was the specific point you were addressing from my comments to Zyph?
    It was:

    So here is your REALITY check and the bottom line; the worst deficit during the Republican controlled Congress was $200 billion.
    I demonstrated that this is not true. You yourself demonstrate it is not true.
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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Srsly? Go back, links posted.
    Srsly.... please explain how the democrats are not to blame for the hugh deficit spending as they have had control of spending since 2006.

    thanx

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Honestly, I don't know what you're reading. You're just making chit up and throwing it around, right?
    I WAS reading:
    So YES fy09 is ABSOLUTELY Bush's fault, and much of fy10 will be too!

    The Republicans have EVERYTHING to do with it.
    Note that YOU included the caps in your original posts.

    NOW, I am reading:
    Bush FURTHER will be responsible for much of the deficits for years to come.
    This is a change in your position, one you made only after I took you task, and thus were shamed into making.

    But, that's what happens when you start with "I hate Bush" and work backwards, hoping that you can spew your intellectually dshonest, bigoted, partisan chit and not get caught.

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Srsly.... please explain how the democrats are not to blame for the hugh deficit spending as they have had control of spending since 2006.

    thanx

    Already done - more tha n once. Is this thread really a civics lesson?
    Pres submits his budget. Unless opposition party controls a veto-proof majority, budget agenda is the presidents. Newt Gingrich tried to change this phenomenon and actually shut down gov't. BIG backfire.

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I WAS reading:

    Note that YOU included the caps in your original posts.

    NOW, I am reading:

    This is a change in your position, one you made only after I took you task, and thus were shamed into making.

    But, that's what happens when you start with "I hate Bush" and work backwards, hoping that you can spew your intellectually dshonest, bigoted, partisan chit and not get caught.

    Goobie --

    BUSH IS ABSOLUTELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FY09 BUDGET.
    And the fy 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07 and 08 ones too !


    AND, Bush will be responsible for MUCH of the red ink in years to come. Get used to it, you will keep hearing it.

    Republicans have not EVER demonstrated fiscal responsibility. They have never decreased spending, not when they had the WH and submitted budgets, and not when they had the WH, House, and Senate and controlled all three.

    They have consistently increased spending - faster than Dems - AND cut taxes at the same time. They are the height of irresponsibility.

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Goobie --
    BUSH IS ABSOLUTELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FY09 BUDGET.
    And the fy 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07 and 08 ones too !
    Ah. Back to the intellectually dishonest partisan bigotry.

    Oh well. You can lead a horse to water...

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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    AND, Bush will be responsible for MUCH of the red ink in years to come. Get used to it, you will keep hearing it.
    Bush is responsible for nothing the Democrats choose to do, which includes continuing any Bush policies. They've got the ball, completely, utterly, entirely.

    All spending, and every line item of every budget, is a choice made at the time.

    And them's the facts.
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    Re: Already, 23 Dems have said they will vote ‘no’ on healthcare reform

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Already done - more tha n once. Is this thread really a civics lesson?
    Pres submits his budget. Unless opposition party controls a veto-proof majority, budget agenda is the presidents. Newt Gingrich tried to change this phenomenon and actually shut down gov't. BIG backfire.
    And of course the congress NEVER adds any earmarks to the budget the President submits.... got it.

    But you are still wrong, look at the constitution..... congress controls the money, period, exclamation point, arrows, circles, and a diagram on the back of each one.... it's congress that controls the money, got it?

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