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    Re: Communisum in our Schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    This has certainly been quite enthralling...so let's hear of this majestic glory of non-socialist anarchism (a contradiction in terms).


    How difficult is it to imagine a situation where there is no government and no collective of any kind, save beyond perhaps the family unit?

    For me, not hard. For you, maybe it's different.
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    Re: Communisum in our Schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    For me, not hard.
    Oh...so you're referring to organization along the lines of primitive society (which was often communal nonetheless), and not industrialized society, which would require a complex economic system...unless there's something else you'd like to share with us?

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    Re: Communisum in our Schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Oh...so you're referring to organization along the lines of primitive society (which was often communal nonetheless), and not industrialized society, which would require a complex economic system...unless there's something else you'd like to share with us?
    If you limit your imagination only to what's gone before or what exists now, you end up with . . . well, limited imagination.
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    Re: Communisum in our Schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Oh...so you're referring to organization along the lines of primitive society (which was often communal nonetheless), and not industrialized society, which would require a complex economic system...unless there's something else you'd like to share with us?
    No,,, just a Primate. "Stealing" from another doesn't mean a Liberal gained advancement to the next level of Civilization. It means,,,it's a Liberal.
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    Re: Communisum in our Schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If you limit your imagination only to what's gone before or what exists now, you end up with . . . well, limited imagination.
    Of course, of course! So...by all means, kindly describe non-socialist anarchism in actual detail for us.

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    [drivel]
    I'm not sure what this incoherence means, and I have little interest in finding out.

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    Re: Communisum in our Schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Of course, of course! So...by all means, kindly describe non-socialist anarchism in actual detail for us.



    I'm not sure what this incoherence means, and I have little interest in finding out.
    I'd expect nothing more from you Agie. You've not let me down yet.

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    Re: Communisum in our Schools.

    Rationalism just doesn't work on some people...

    Does this forum have an ignore feature?

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    Re: Communisum in our Schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Of course, of course! So...by all means, kindly describe non-socialist anarchism in actual detail for us.
    The pioneer West was pretty close, and works as well as an example as your beloved anarchist Spain. Neither endured.

    It doesn't take much to imagine an industrialized version.

    Of course, the only thing actually required for anarchy is the absence of government. Assuming that yours is the only legitimate construction -- despite the fact that your collective isn't really functionally different from a government anyway -- is the height of arrogance.
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    Re: Communisum in our Schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Rationalism just doesn't work on some people...

    Does this forum have an ignore feature?
    All vB forums have an ignore feature (though they're disabled on some), but it's painfully apparent that the irrational one of the two of us is you...let's have a little True Debate and the forum can decide which of us is in the right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The pioneer West was pretty close, and works as well as an example as your beloved anarchist Spain. Neither endured.

    Of course, the only thing actually required for anarchy is the absence of government. Assuming that yours is the only legitimate construction -- despite the fact that your collective isn't really functionally different from a government anyway -- is the height of arrogance.
    That's completely wrong. Considering the etymological meaning of "anarchy" as "without rulers," the mere elimination of government through the centralized and formal state is not sufficient to establish conditions of anarchy; the elimination of other unjust hierarchies is necessary too, which accounts for the traditional anarchist opposition to the "Unholy Trinity" of church, state, and capitalism. I take it authoritarian hierarchies were not absent in the pioneer West...

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    Re: Communisum in our Schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Was that supposed to be a sound reply? I've made the distinctions between private and possessive property rather clear in the past; private property involves a monopoly of control over a productive resource that permits the "owner" to compel others to perform labor in a hierarchical arrangement under him in order to gain access to that resource, whereas possessive property merely involves personal ownership of items that cannot be used for this purpose. A watch is an example of possessive property; a watch factory is an example of private property. The elimination of private property brings with it the elimination of a major source of labor market coercion, and is thus far less authoritarian than the institution of private property itself.
    Since there is no such thing as a self-creating watch, treating the privately owned watch-factory as a way of placing the means of production off-limits is folly.

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