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Town Hall Protesters Shout Down Disabled Woman

Jerry, would you dress up in a chicken suit to do your part to tear down the Healthcare bill?

This little gem by Jerry is the most enlightening thus far:

This person happened to be on the pro-UHC side, so when she refuses to oppose UHC through honest debate, it is then always right and just to shut her up at every opportunity.

So evidently, it would seem that in Jerry's mind, honest debate consists of:

You should agree with me, otherwise its perfectly acceptable to shout you down and shut you up at every opportunity.

I guess that would be the Savage - Hannity Debate Format.
 
The part you seem to either not get or are dancing around is that they were heckling her and making whining noises as she was prefacing her question with how her medical bills are making her practically destitute. Its not searching for a victim to point that out, its just pointing out that these people were being more indecent in their actions than the typical rudeness associated with shouting down those you disagree with.

No, the OP made this about her being disabled, as though that mere fact makes it somehow worse than if she weren't.
 
No, the OP made this about her being disabled, as though that mere fact makes it somehow worse than if she weren't.

Right, the mere fact that you are heckling and mocking someone when they are taking about their disability and the medical costs associated with it makes it worse than just the typical shouting down of people at these meetings (which is bad enough).

As I said, I had no idea that condemning douche bags that engaged in that kind of activity would be controversial. Am I the only one on the whole forum that comes back occasionally and says "hey I thought about it, and I have changed my mind".
 
No but he would kill 50 dragon whelps in 15 seconds.

Man, I am so glad I can barely comprehend that.

And that is as a fellow nerd.
 
Right, the mere fact that you are heckling and mocking someone when they are taking about their disability and the medical costs associated with it makes it worse than just the typical shouting down of people at these meetings (which is bad enough).

OK. Merely repeating yourself doesn't strengthen your point. Read what I wrote. The content of what she said didn't enter into it -- not in the OP, and not in my response to the OP.
 
SoutherDemocrat needs a victim card to play, that's all it is.

I mean, come on, do you think I actually believe half the **** I say on this forum? No, and neither does SD believe half the **** he says. He plays his game with a victim card and I play my game as the EvilConservative.com :2wave:

No one actually thinks like either of us..

Wait, really?

So you are some kind of uber troll?

And no one comments on this? Do you justify yourself by thinking that you are playing devils advocate?

So many questions.

As you can see I am somewhat new here. Perhaps I should not be surprised but I was hoping to find some place on web where I could actually get all sides of the issue through discussion with reasonable people. I don't have a lot of opportunity to discuss issues with people of varying perspectives....

Well, I think you get my point.
 
Wait, really?

So you are some kind of uber troll?

And no one comments on this? Do you justify yourself by thinking that you are playing devils advocate?

So many questions.

As you can see I am somewhat new here. Perhaps I should not be surprised but I was hoping to find some place on web where I could actually get all sides of the issue through discussion with reasonable people. I don't have a lot of opportunity to discuss issues with people of varying perspectives....

Well, I think you get my point.

The premise of this thread is that the protesters were wrong not because their tactic was bad, but because the woman was in a wheelchair.

In other words, SouthernDemocrat would have no problem if the woman were not disabled....and they call me the troll :roll:
 
The town halls have become a circus. I fail to see why people who are not there to insult, boo and be unruly even show up. Whatever happened to rational, fact-based discussion?
 
Whatever happened to rational, fact-based discussion?

One of the sad revelations of growing up is that it's a complete fable and always has been.
 
The town halls have become a circus. I fail to see why people who are not there to insult, boo and be unruly even show up. Whatever happened to rational, fact-based discussion?

Obama got elected.
 
Obama got elected.

Precisely, we have been taking steps in the right direction, like electing Obama, but then we fall back to old habits of screaming what the guy over the radio screamed at us, like "He wants to kill our Grandmas!".
 
OK. Merely repeating yourself doesn't strengthen your point. Read what I wrote. The content of what she said didn't enter into it -- not in the OP, and not in my response to the OP.

The content of what she said was in the video in the OP.
 
The premise of this thread is that the protesters were wrong not because their tactic was bad, but because the woman was in a wheelchair.

In other words, SouthernDemocrat would have no problem if the woman were not disabled....and they call me the troll :roll:

So you totally ignored my point.

Here is what you said in post #154 on this thread

I mean, come on, do you think I actually believe half the **** I say on this forum? No, and neither does SD believe half the **** he says. He plays his game with a victim card and I play my game as the EvilConservative.com

No one actually thinks like either of us..

I found this definition of a troll on Wikipedia

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

So if you are only posting responses based on a persona that you have developed, and nothing that you post is actually your own opinion, then I would assume that your responses are crafted to inflame a certain segment of the community here. Possibly for your own amusement.

If the above is true then how are you not a troll?

Based on your profile you are very involved in this community and a lot of people respect your opinions. So if your post leads me to question your integrity - and I do not honestly see how I could not - then what does that say about this community?
 
So if you are only posting responses based on a persona that you have developed, and nothing that you post is actually your own opinion, then I would assume that your responses are crafted to inflame a certain segment of the community here.

Yes, and I already told you that directly myself.

Possibly for your own amusement.

Well duh, what part of "it's fun" did you not understand?

If the above is true then how are you not a troll?

I AM a troll, der :roll: The only difference between me and you is that I admit it, though I don't start bait threads like this.

There are shades of trolling. Someone who ever says "that's just your opinion" is trolling (dismissive tactic used to avoid a point)...someone who ever knowingly commits a logical fallacy, such as red herring or straw-man, is trolling.

When you started this thread about a disabled woman, you became a fellow troll. Don't be surprise to see me here;)

Based on your profile you are very involved in this community and a lot of people respect your opinions. So if your post leads me to question your integrity - and I do not honestly see how I could not - then what does that say about this community?

Appeal to popularity.

See? You're a troll also :2wave:

Neither of us are braking the forum rules, so let's continue shall we :2razz:
 
I watched the video with the disabled woman. What struck me was the insensitivity shown towards the woman's words and her account of her condition. It was an account told by a woman that would easily engender compassionate, understanding feelings in normal people, but that actually engendered aggression in those others. I think it's disgusting that when someone is telling their story... when they are giving a poignant account of their situation, that others have obviously become so incredibly "dehumanised", that they dismiss that person in such a horrible way.
 
. It was an account told by a woman that would easily engender compassionate, understanding feelings in normal people .

Too true.

These thugs have issues that go beyond politics.
 
I watched the video with the disabled woman. What struck me was the insensitivity shown towards the woman's words and her account of her condition. It was an account told by a woman that would easily engender compassionate, understanding feelings in normal people, but that actually engendered aggression in those others. I think it's disgusting that when someone is telling their story... when they are giving a poignant account of their situation, that others have obviously become so incredibly "dehumanised", that they dismiss that person in such a horrible way.

What the hell did the left expect when they come out and announce that the debate is over?

Example: The Universal Health Care Debate Is Over | OurFuture.org

OK fine, you want to stop having a civil and intelligent exchange of ideas, we'll go right to the dirty tactics.

"The debate is over".....orly? We'll filibuster your townhall meetings.

Don't like it? STFU about "the debate is over" bull**** then.
 
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The content of what she said was in the video in the OP.

:roll:

It wasn't referenced in the post as being the problem.

But even if she's being shouted down for telling her story, how does her being disabled make it any more onerous than shouting down anyone else's story?

It's true -- you're simply looking to play into a deeper layer of victimology, and her disability is a tool for you.
 
Yes, and I already told you that directly myself.



Well duh, what part of "it's fun" did you not understand?



I AM a troll, der :roll: The only difference between me and you is that I admit it, though I don't start bait threads like this.

There are shades of trolling. Someone who ever says "that's just your opinion" is trolling (dismissive tactic used to avoid a point)...someone who ever knowingly commits a logical fallacy, such as red herring or straw-man, is trolling.

When you started this thread about a disabled woman, you became a fellow troll. Don't be surprise to see me here;)



Appeal to popularity.

See? You're a troll also :2wave:

Neither of us are braking the forum rules, so let's continue shall we :2razz:

Satandog didn't start this thread, I did. Pay more attention before accusing other people of being trolls
 
What the hell did the left expect when they come out and announce that the debate is over?

Example: The Universal Health Care Debate Is Over | OurFuture.org

OK fine, you want to stop having a civil and intelligent exchange of ideas, we'll go right to the dirty tactics.

"The debate is over".....orly? We'll filibuster your townhall meetings.

Don't like it? STFU about "the debate is over" bull**** then.

Our future? So you're relying on a blog entry. Yeah that's credibility
 
Satandog didn't start this thread, I did. Pay more attention before accusing other people of being trolls

Ignoring my strongest argument to focus only on a single mistake is a straw-man, troll :2wave:
 
Our future? So you're relying on a blog entry. Yeah that's credibility

Yeah I give one example and you assume I gave an exhaustive list of all references and occurrences.

Over generalize much? ;)
 
Ignoring my strongest argument to focus only on a single mistake is a straw-man, troll :2wave:

You didn't have an argument jerry. You accused someone else of starting the thread and being a troll. So what is your purpose here on DP? It's obvious its not to actually debate in any of the threads. Again I pointed out that those who were shouting down this woman were also shouting down people on their own side because they sounded intellectual. Time for you to look up the definition of a troll
 
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