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    Re: Town Hall Protesters Shout Down Disabled Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, this is what happens when you stick a bunch of concerned, passionate, and uninformed ordinary people into a building. Democrats would be doing the exact same thing if they fit into any of these categories.
    Where I disagree with you is on the "ordinary" people part. You have to be pretty much a total douche bag to act like these people were acting. Ordinary people have the decency not to act like that.

    I am not saying that there are not douche bags like that on the left. Of course there are, look at left wing extremists that were calling Iraq veterans "war criminals". What I am saying though is that ordinary people don't act like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Where I disagree with you is on the "ordinary" people part. You have to be pretty much a total douche bag to act like these people were acting. Ordinary people have the decency not to act like that.

    I am not saying that there are not douche bags like that on the left. Of course there are, look at left wing extremists that were calling Iraq veterans "war criminals". What I am saying though is that ordinary people don't act like this.
    Ordinary people don't have to clothe their disgust for the other man or woman with formal language like their professional colleagues do. Otherwise, I would say people are people, and if you get emotional, concerned people into a building, it's like watching the temperature rise.
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    Re: Town Hall Protesters Shout Down Disabled Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    OMG, can we like totally have a big anti-partisan group hug now?
    For whatever reason you can't bring yourself to criticize anything your base does. I am convinced that if right wing health care protesters were on video raping fetuses at a town hall you the supposed "centrist" would some how try to rationalize or excuse it.
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    Re: Town Hall Protesters Shout Down Disabled Woman

    I'm angry that they heckled her, wheelchair or none (even though they should have showed more respect for her for the wheelchair, due to the hardships she has been forced to go through and probably still goes through). I thought town halls were supposed to be about Intellectual Discussions with your Congressman, not heckling matches. Both sides need to shut up and chill out. If you can't have an intellegent discussion without yelling over someone trying to ask the question they have a right to ask, then you shouldn't be there. Sure, you have the right to be their, but you also have the right to do a lot of things that are just stupid.

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    Re: Town Hall Protesters Shout Down Disabled Woman

    Being a wheelchair is irrelevant, shouting someone down simply trying to ask a question is deplorable no matter who it is. However, heckling people who ramble endlessly without coming to a point or who make an ass of themselves with ridiculous accusations is perfectly valid in my mind, wheelchair or no wheelchair.

    The link showed only a brief clip of the woman, but it seemed to me she was rambling and the crowd was mostly heckling her by asking "what's your question?" Who knows how long she had been going on before the clip we saw. No one wants to hear someone go on a diatribe about their personal problems.
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    Re: Town Hall Protesters Shout Down Disabled Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It's indecent, that's the problem. Shouting down people at town halls is rude and childish. Shouting down a disabled woman talking about how her medical bills are the point of her being at risk of losing her home is indecent. Video is here:

    Wheelchair-Bound Woman Shouted Down At New Jersey Health Care Town Hall (VIDEO)

    I guess this kind of shameless behavior is perfectly acceptable in New Jersey, but it's the lowest of low where I am from. I don't even agree with what the woman was obviously implying should be the solution (some kind of single payer system), but that is neither here nor there. When are people from either side going to start condemning and shaming this kind of shameless garbage.
    I've seen the video, it doesn't need to be reposted. Again, this doesn't appear like genuine concern coming from most of the left. The huffington post and other left wing "news" groups are using this woman as a poster child to further their own partisan agenda. That's it. Your attacks don't sound like genuine concern to me, but more of the same that everyone has been getting from these agenda-driven organizations. Personally, I find that more appalling than shouting over her during a town hall meeting.

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    Re: Town Hall Protesters Shout Down Disabled Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I've seen the video, it doesn't need to be reposted. Again, this doesn't appear like genuine concern coming from most of the left. The huffington post and other left wing "news" groups are using this woman as a poster child to further their own partisan agenda. That's it. Your attacks don't sound like genuine concern to me, but more of the same that everyone has been getting from these agenda-driven organizations. Personally, I find that more appalling than shouting over her during a town hall meeting.
    It is not fake concern on my part. For personal reasons I just particularly don't like people that shout down the sick, disabled, and handicapped at health care town halls.

    If you align yourself with the right, or you are against the Democratic health care proposals for whatever reason, then fine. Why excuse that kind of behavior. It's not left wing groups like The Huffington Post that are making right wingers and Democrat healthcare reform opponents look bad, its that fact that those opponents and right wingers refuse to condemn that kind of shameless behavior that makes them look bad.
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    Re: Town Hall Protesters Shout Down Disabled Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Being a wheelchair is irrelevant, shouting someone down simply trying to ask a question is deplorable no matter who it is. However, heckling people who ramble endlessly without coming to a point or who make an ass of themselves with ridiculous accusations is perfectly valid in my mind, wheelchair or no wheelchair.
    She made no "ridiculous accusations" in the clip.

    The link showed only a brief clip of the woman, but it seemed to me she was rambling and the crowd was mostly heckling her by asking "what's your question?" Who knows how long she had been going on before the clip we saw. No one wants to hear someone go on a diatribe about their personal problems.
    They played a longer clip on Morning Joe this morning. What you saw is just about the entirety of it. I can't see how a couple of minutes at most is "rambling". Moreover, if you don't want to hear about the problems people have had with our current health care system, then don't go to a town hall on health care reform. That's like turning on a Saint Jude Telethon and bitching about it being depressing.

    Being that our health care system is so expensive right now that health care costs are the number one reason for bankruptcy filings, its kind of a given that you are going to hear such stories at a town hall on health care reform.
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    Re: Town Hall Protesters Shout Down Disabled Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Inciting violence is walking through to reach your side? Wow that's ridiculous. I'd say you have little self control if you believe something as stupid as that. How exactly did this man incite violence?
    He walked into the opposing crowd. It's obvious that he was looking for trouble. A little common sense goes alot farther than self control. If the tables were turned, you would say the same thing and you damn well know it.
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    Re: Town Hall Protesters Shout Down Disabled Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    She made no "ridiculous accusations" in the clip.
    I wasn't trying to say she did. I apologize if it came out that way. I just meant if someone is rambling endlessly without coming to a point or a question or is just making a fool of themselves with bizzaro accusations, I have no problem with them being shouted down.

    I was at a townhall for Obama in '07 and we had two numbskulls get up and start. One rambled on endlessly about his fight with to get his social security check and the other was just flat out insane talking about aliens and some other whacked out stuff. Thankfully both times Obama cut them short, answered them as diplomatically as possible, and moved on to people who were not utterly insane.

    They played a longer clip on Morning Joe this morning. What you saw is just about the entirety of it. I can't see how a couple of minutes at most is "rambling". Moreover, if you don't want to hear about the problems people have had with our current health care system, then don't go to a town hall on health care reform. That's like turning on a Saint Jude Telethon and bitching about it being depressing.

    Being that our health care system is so expensive right now that health care costs are the number one reason for bankruptcy filings, its kind of a given that you are going to hear such stories at a town hall on health care reform.
    I don't want to hear an indepth personal sob story. The clip I saw the woman didn't seem anywhere near arriving at a point or a question. When I come to townhall I want to hear people ask questions and voice concerns and then have those questions answered and concerns addressed. I don't want to hear a detailed account everyone's personal tale of woe. She could've simply said, "I have numerous health issues that have put me in a serious financial bind ..." and then moved on to whatever her question was going to be. People's time is valuable and being concise is a lost art to far too many people.

    That said, if the clip is all she said and there is no , then the crowd jumped on her a too early. She was getting to the point where my inner monologue was saying "get to the point" but I also know I can be impatient with folks and certainly wouldn't have jumped up and yelled that out loud. Shouting someone down should be reserved for people who are excrutiatiningly idiotic and refuse to shut up. Townhall meetings and meetings in general are only productive if people can be civil.

    I must say though, that she seemed to fishing for sympathy for her situation, which I find annoying as hell. I can be very sympathetic, but the minute I sense someone is actively trying to get my sympathy, they won't get a drop from me. I just find manipulative and annoying.
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