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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
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    Get back to me when you can exhibit a sound understanding of the difference between "better health care plans" and "better health care.

    And you still don't have any evidence for that statement either.

    Do you have a response to the rest of my post?
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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And you still don't have any evidence for that statement either.
    See post 12.

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    Do you have a response to the rest of my post?
    See post 12.

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    mad Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    B.O. "Care of the Future"..


    Prisoners have a better diet than Health Service hospital patients, scientists warn | Mail Online

    Patients in Health Service hospitals are far more likely to go hungry than criminals in jail, scientists warned yesterday. They say frail and elderly patients do not get the help they need with meals, and nobody checks whether they get enough to eat.

    Despite years of Government promises to tackle poor hospital nutrition, food still arrives cold, and patients often miss out because meal times clash with tests and operations.
    Also from the article (emboldening, mine);

    It concluded lack of appetite due to a medical problem is probably the main reason for under-nutrition, but said hospitals can make improvements.
    I think this article is an example of very poor reporting and doesn't reflect my experience as a patient, the relative and friend of many patients of many and past NHS nurse.

    Firstly, I think it's stating the obvious that patients in hospital are more likely to be better nourished than prisoners. Not least of all because the majority of prisoners aren't there because they are ill, they're where they are for an entirely different reason. The second statement that "They say frail and elderly patients do not get the help they need with meals, and nobody checks whether they get enough to eat" is only a partial truth. It would be more accurate to say that it happens, but rarely. It also happens rarely in the poshest, most expensive of private hospitals, it happens rarely in private homes where family are taking care of great granny Smith and in small but exclusive and expensive residential homes all over the western world. Including the US where I now live and work. It's something that I was taught about as a first year nursing student in our equivalent of Nursing 101. It shouldn't happen, but it does, human error is a pain the ass like that sometimes.

    In my experience of the NHS on both sides, what would normally happen is that during the report before the shift begins, we would know about who is going for tests and would arrange for a cold lunch to be sent for that patient. If that were forgotten, as soon as the patient arrived back at the ward, we would immediately call the hospital kitchen and have something like a sandwich, a yoghurt and a piece of fruit sent along.

    And last but not least - It's the Daily Mail, owned by Rupert Murdoch, not best known for overseeing accuracy of reporting within his, er, "news" organisations.

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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    See post 12.



    See post 12.
    You don't seem to understand English. You can't just say tangential **** and then claim that that proves a point.

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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ennyone View Post
    Also from the article (emboldening, mine);



    I think this article is an example of very poor reporting and doesn't reflect my experience as a patient, the relative and friend of many patients of many and past NHS nurse.

    Firstly, I think it's stating the obvious that patients in hospital are more likely to be better nourished than prisoners. Not least of all because the majority of prisoners aren't there because they are ill, they're where they are for an entirely different reason. The second statement that "They say frail and elderly patients do not get the help they need with meals, and nobody checks whether they get enough to eat" is only a partial truth. It would be more accurate to say that it happens, but rarely. It also happens rarely in the poshest, most expensive of private hospitals, it happens rarely in private homes where family are taking care of great granny Smith and in small but exclusive and expensive residential homes all over the western world. Including the US where I now live and work. It's something that I was taught about as a first year nursing student in our equivalent of Nursing 101. It shouldn't happen, but it does, human error is a pain the ass like that sometimes.

    In my experience of the NHS on both sides, what would normally happen is that during the report before the shift begins, we would know about who is going for tests and would arrange for a cold lunch to be sent for that patient. If that were forgotten, as soon as the patient arrived back at the ward, we would immediately call the hospital kitchen and have something like a sandwich, a yoghurt and a piece of fruit sent along.

    And last but not least - It's the Daily Mail, owned by Rupert Murdoch, not best known for overseeing accuracy of reporting within his, er, "news" organisations.
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    Despite years of Government promises to tackle poor hospital nutrition, food still arrives cold, and patients often miss out because meal times clash with tests and operations.

    But nurses say they are too busy to help every elderly patient with their meals

    Meanwhile, prisoners are enjoying carbohydrate-rich, low-fat foods which in many cases are better than they would have been eating on the outside.
    The Daily Mail has been highlighting the scandal of old people not being fed properly in hospital as part of its Dignity for the Elderly campaign.
    Hospital meals are often taken away untouched, because they are either unappetising or are placed out of patients' reach.

    The latest figures show 242 patients died of malnutrition in NHS hospitals in 2007 - the highest toll in a decade. More than 8,000 left hospital under-nourished - double the figure when Labour came to power.
    The NHS throws away 11million meals every year, and many nurses say they are too busy to help the frail eat.

    Read more: Prisoners have a better diet than Health Service hospital patients, scientists warn | Mail Online

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