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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I've got news for you, buddy. Prisoners have better daily and long-term health care plans than most of us, too.
    Link? This sounds like you just made it up.

    A quick google turns up this:

    Medical care in California's prisons is so bad it has been ruled unconstitutional. Henderson appointed a receiver to run the prison medical system after finding that an average of an inmate a week was dying from neglect or malpractice.
    Judge: Calif. Must Pay for Prison Health Care - ABC News



    My question to you is: Why should every convicted criminal in the US prison system (2.3 million of them and climbing) be given something of such incalculable value when even the most minimal of health care coverage is denied to some 50 million civilian Americans who aren't out there breaking our laws?
    1) The "50 million Americans" figure has been thoroughly debunked.
    2) Uninsured people are not denied "even the most minimal of health care coverage." They receive (minimal) health care at any hospital they want.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Link? This sounds like you just made it up.
    According to law:

    Medical Care
    Prison officials are obligated under the Eighth Amendment to provide prisoners with adequate medical care. This principle applies regardless of whether the medical care is provided by governmental employees or by private medical staff under contract with the government.

    Elements of an adequate medical care system
    The Eighth Amendment requires that prison officials provide a system of ready access to adequate medical care... The prison must also provide an adequate system for responding to emergencies. If outside facilities are too remote or too inaccessible to handle emergencies promptly and adequately, then the prison must provide adequate facilities and staff to handle emergencies within the prison.

    Dental Care
    “Dental care is one of the most important medical needs of inmates.” Dental care that consists of pulling teeth that can be saved is constitutionally inadequate. Delays in dental care can also violate the Eighth Amendment, particularly if the prisoner is suffering pain in the interim.

    Elements of an adequate mental health care system
    The Eighth Amendment requires that prison officials provide a system of ready access to adequate mental health care. First, there must be a systematic program for screening and evaluating inmates in order to identify those who require mental health treatment. Second, treatment must entail more than segregation and close supervision of the inmate patients. Third, treatment requires the participation of trained mental health professionals, who must be employed in sufficient numbers to identify and treat in an individualized manner those treatable inmates suffering from serious mental disorders. Fourth, accurate, complete, and confidential records of the mental health treatment process must be maintained. Fifth, prescription and administration of behavior-altering medications in dangerous amounts, by dangerous methods, or without appropriate supervision and periodic evaluation, is an unacceptable method of treatment. Sixth, a basic program for the identification, treatment and supervision of inmates with suicidal tendencies is a necessary component of any mental health treatment program. --KNOW YOUR RIGHTS: MEDICAL, DENTAL AND MENTAL HEALTH CARE
    Pre-natal/pregnancy care and abortions are covered too.

    Yes, it's completely true that our prisons are so overcrowded and strapped for cash that medical treatment is often inferior. But I'm not talking about the quality of treatment (you can end up with a dangerously crappy doctor in the civilian world, too).

    As I said, Prisoners have better daily and long-term health care plans than most of us, too.

    Does your health care plan provide medical and dental treatment free of charge? Does it provide for gratis house calls and/or ambulance service? Free drugs? Psychological counseling? Pre-natal care/abortions?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The "50 million Americans" figure has been thoroughly debunked.
    40 million, 15 million. Whatever. Does it seem right that our laws mandate that criminals be covered free of charge for any and every health care need, while millions of law-abiding people must go without?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Uninsured people are not denied "even the most minimal of health care coverage." They receive (minimal) health care at any hospital they want.
    Again, you're confusing a government mandated, across-the-board health care plan with receiving an occasional stitch on a boo-boo at an emergency room.

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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    40 million, 15 million. Whatever. Does it seem right that our laws mandate that criminals be covered free of charge
    No, they should be forced into labor in order to offset the cost. License plates, roadside cleanup, etc.

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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Where in there does it say that the care is better than that of the average american? You literally just made that up out of whole cloth.

    Yes, it's completely true that our prisons are so overcrowded and strapped for cash that medical treatment is often inferior. But I'm not talking about the quality of treatment (you can end up with a dangerously crappy doctor in the civilian world, too).
    So your argument is that because prisoners are provided something for free, the public should receive it for free as well? Do you realize how flawed that logic is?

    Think about the other things that prisoners get for free: food, clothing, shelter. Should we pass a national food/jeans/mortgage program to go along with national health care?

    We provide health care for free to prisoners for the same reason we provide them with food/shelter/clothes for free - because if we didn't, it would be cruel and unusual punishment due to the fact that they do not have the ability to seek those things out on their own. That's why prisoners are different from you or I.

    As I said, Prisoners have better daily and long-term health care plans than most of us, too.
    Again, you just made this up.

    Does your health care plan provide medical and dental treatment free of charge? Does it provide for gratis house calls and/or ambulance service? Free drugs? Psychological counseling? Pre-natal care/abortions?
    Does the government mail you free t-shirts? Does Obama pay your mortgage? Did he come to your house to drop off some Thai food?

    40 million, 15 million. Whatever.
    It's this incapacity to realize the importance of accuracy when dealing with huge numbers that makes me not want people like you anywhere near the fisc.

    Does it seem right that our laws mandate that criminals be covered free of charge for any and every health care need, while millions of law-abiding people must go without?
    It seems odd at first glance, but if you actually think about it for 30 seconds, you realize why that occurs.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Losing weight tends to happen when one is sick.
    Or, Hospital Food. (Get Well Quick). That won't happen under a "Socialist Plan"...

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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Congress is more sly than we thought. When they rightfully get put in prison they will STILL get a better deal than the rest of us.
    Thank you

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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Congress is more sly than we thought. When they rightfully get put in prison they will STILL get a better deal than the rest of us.
    We'll serve them "Hospital Food"..

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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    My question to you is: Why should every convicted criminal in the US prison system (2.3 million of them and climbing) be given something of such incalculable value when even the most minimal of health care coverage is denied to some 50 million civilian Americans who aren't out there breaking our laws?
    Criminals shouldn't get those things and 50 million Americans aren't being denied health care coverage.

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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Where in there does it say that the care is better than that of the average american? You literally just made that up out of whole cloth. [lengthy foolishness based on false premise snipped]
    My original statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Prisoners have better daily and long-term health care plans than most of us, too.
    Get back to me when you can exhibit a sound understanding of the difference between "better health care plans" and "better health care.


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    Re: Prisoners have a better Diet, than Health Care Patients in Britain.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The food at Phoenix Children's hospital is great.....
    not resturaunt great, but certainly as good as you will get at a diner or fast food place.
    I was thinking the same thing... My wife and I go to the hospital cafeteria once in a while for lunch, the food is great and cheap.... it's the same kitchen that cooks for patients.

    Of course, this is now… no telling what it would be like under Obie-care.

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