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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I don't think this applies, because i'm not claiming "characteristics of the entire class or group". That is, when I say "Pizza is good!" I'm not claiming that every single pizza out there is good, only that it's likely that if I were to have pizza, I'd like it.

    I could meet a nice pit bull and faultily conclude that all pit bulls are nice. I think that would be composition.

    But I'm saying "golden retrievers are nicer than pit bulls" that doesn't mean there aren't mean golden retrievers or nice pit bulls -- it's just talking to the overall likliehood.
    NO, what you are doing is making broad, unsubstantiated claims that have no basis in fact, and using them to suggest something that makes you feel better. There is no evidence that liberals love their country less than conservatives, there is no evidence that conservatives are more happy then liberals, and there is no evidence that any of your claims have any basis in reality.

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    If you can't find one, the most intellectually honest way to handle this is to clarify that it is your opinion, not just throw it out there as if it's factual (it isn't).
    Now you're just stating YOUR opinion unless of course you've got an ace up your sleeve to prove otherwise.

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Now you're just stating YOUR opinion unless of course you've got an ace up your sleeve to prove otherwise.
    You made the claim, it is up to you to prove it.

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I don't think this applies, because i'm not claiming "characteristics of the entire class or group". That is, when I say "Pizza is good!" I'm not claiming that every single pizza out there is good, only that it's likely that if I were to have pizza, I'd like it.
    This is precisely the problem with your presentation of liberals in your first post here. You attempted to present it as fact, when in reality, like you liking pizza, it is only opinion. Just because you like pizza, doesn't mean that pizza is good. It means that, most likely, pizza is good FOR YOU. See the difference?

    I could meet a nice pit bull and faultily conclude that all pit bulls are nice. I think that would be composition.
    And that is the error that you made when you drew your conclusions about liberals.

    But I'm saying "golden retrievers are nicer than pit bulls" that doesn't mean there aren't mean golden retrievers or nice pit bulls -- it's just talking to the overall likliehood.
    Which is your opinion.
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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I don't think this applies, because i'm not claiming "characteristics of the entire class or group". That is, when I say "Pizza is good!" I'm not claiming that every single pizza out there is good, only that it's likely that if I were to have pizza, I'd like it.

    I could meet a nice pit bull and faultily conclude that all pit bulls are nice. I think that would be composition.

    But I'm saying "golden retrievers are nicer than pit bulls" that doesn't mean there aren't mean golden retrievers or nice pit bulls -- it's just talking to the overall likliehood.
    Sorry. Fail. I like you, would love to see you spank Glinda further, but you're mistaken here.

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    To my knowledge, nobody has shown my position to be fallacious.
    Let me explain the rules of debate. You make a claim, it is up to YOU to substantiate it. Not others to prove you wrong. So, substantiate.


    I don't understand why you find generalizations so difficult to follow, sorry!
    I have no problem following generalizations, but you need to identify them as such, not as facts. These are your opinions that you have presented.
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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Now you're just stating YOUR opinion unless of course you've got an ace up your sleeve to prove otherwise.
    No, I'm relying upon standard logical practice. Consider taking a debate/logic class before you graduate, it will do you a world of good.

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Now you're just stating YOUR opinion unless of course you've got an ace up your sleeve to prove otherwise.
    You presented a position. Unless you can substantiate it, it is nothing more than an opinion. When you present it as fact, you will be asked to prove it. If you can't, then it is not a fact. This is how to debate logically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    NO, what you are doing is making broad, unsubstantiated claims that have no basis in fact, and using them to suggest something that makes you feel better. There is no evidence that liberals love their country less than conservatives, there is no evidence that conservatives are more happy then liberals, and there is no evidence that any of your claims have any basis in reality.
    As I said earlier, I did substantiate my claims. Not as well as I would have liked, but this is a discussion board, no? Are we not allowed to discuss our thoughts until someone else has come to a conclusion? Sheesh.

    BTW, there's lots of evidence that liberals are not as happy as conservatives:
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    Why Are Conservatives Happier Than Liberals?
    http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic526279.files
    /Napier%20Jost%20Why%20Are%20Conservatives%20Happie r.pdf

    Why are liberals so bummed out?
    Why Conservatives Say They Are Happier Than Liberals - US News and World Report

    Smile if (and Only if) You're Conservative
    George F. Will - Smile if (and Only if) You're Conservative - washingtonpost.com

    It makes sense when you think about it. The democratic party attracts a confederacy of unhappy people: welfare recipients, people living off of social security, certain minority groups, etc. Further, Liberal dogma teaches people that they've been oppressed and that they need help from government in order to make their dreams come true (external locus of control).

    Now it may be the case that these people love their country as much as those who are generally happier and don't share that same worldview, but I doubt it.
    Last edited by Taylor; 08-31-09 at 05:50 PM.

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    As I said earlier, I did substantiate my claims. Not as well as I would have liked, but this is a discussion board, no? Are we not allowed to discuss our thoughts until someone else has come to a conclusion? Sheesh..
    WE deal in facts here. If you are expressing an opinion, simply qualify it as your opinion and you won't take this heat in the future. All you have to say is, "I think liberals ________."

    But, when you issue a proclamation that liberals don't love America, that's both unproveable and offensive. Deal with it.

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