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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Oddly enough, your conservative friends find self-confessed terrorists to be worthy of praise.



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    You do realize that our esteemed, terrorist loving POTUS has labeled everyone who questions his policies or attends "tea parties" as terrorists? (along with people that have anti-abortion stickers on their cars, along with people that have 3rd party candidate stickers on their cars, along with returning Vets, etc.).... and we are proud of that label?

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Just as a suggestion, Taylor. Posting overgeneralizing, hyperpartisan stuff like you are will get you confronted and your positions to be shown fallacious pretty quickly.
    To my knowledge, nobody has shown my position to be fallacious.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You might want to start using the word "some" what you start attempting to make some of these silly overgeneralizations. It would make your positions seem far more valid, though, truthfully, any overgeneralizations about liberals or conservatives are pretty silly,
    I don't understand why you find generalizations so difficult to follow, sorry!

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    To my knowledge, nobody has shown my position to be fallacious.
    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Is this the liberals? I know that they don't like america as much as regular people.
    Your reasoning is faulty from the beginning. It relies upon the fallacy of Composition.

    Fallacy: Composition
    The first type of fallacy of Composition arises when a person reasons from the characteristics of individual members of a class or group to a conclusion regarding the characteristics of the entire class or group (taken as a whole). More formally, the "reasoning" would look something like this.

    Individual F things have characteristics A, B, C, etc.
    Therefore, the (whole) class of F things has characteristics A, B, C, etc.
    This line of reasoning is fallacious because the mere fact that individuals have certain characteristics does not, in itself, guarantee that the class (taken as a whole) has those characteristics.

    You simply can't prove this claim, it's logically flawed.
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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You do realize that our esteemed, terrorist loving POTUS has labeled everyone who questions his policies or attends "tea parties" as terrorists?
    Link?

    Along with people that have anti-abortion stickers on their cars
    Link?

    Along with people that have 3rd party candidate stickers on their cars
    Link?

    Along with returning Vets
    Link?

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You do realize that our esteemed, terrorist loving POTUS has labeled everyone who questions his policies or attends "tea parties" as terrorists? (along with people that have anti-abortion stickers on their cars, along with people that have 3rd party candidate stickers on their cars, along with returning Vets, etc.).... and we are proud of that label?
    You do realize that our esteemed, war-mongering former POTUS likened everyone who believes that bullets and bombs should be a LAST resort (to be used only if negotiations seriously deteriorate), to terrorist/Nazi appeasers?

    "Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," said Bush, in what White House aides privately acknowledged was a reference to calls by Obama and other Democrats for the U.S. president to sit down for talks with leaders like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    "We have heard this foolish delusion before," Bush said in remarks to the Israeli Knesset. "As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American Senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, I do. Just because we disagree with you on the appropriate direction for our country does not mean we love that country any less. It is insulting and offensive to have people like you tell us that we somehow love our country less because we disagree with you on an issue.
    If I may be so bold -- you shouldn't let my opinions offend you, be stronger than that! IMO people get wayyyy too attached to labels these days. Just be your own person!

    I'm sure somebody, somewhere has run a study like I suggested. I just wish I could find one. I do think it's generally accepted though that liberals are just not as happy overall, so it's kinda a life thing I guess.

    [sorry CaptainCourtesy, I'm going to generalize again! This doesn't mean that there aren't any happy liberals!].

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I'm sure somebody, somewhere has run a study like I suggested. I just wish I could find one. I do think it's generally accepted though that liberals are just not as happy overall, so it's kinda a life thing I guess.
    If you can't find one, the most intellectually honest way to handle this is to clarify that it is your opinion, not just throw it out there as if it's factual (it isn't).

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Your reasoning is faulty from the beginning. It relies upon the fallacy of Composition.

    Fallacy: Composition



    You simply can't prove this claim, it's logically flawed.
    I don't think this applies, because i'm not claiming "characteristics of the entire class or group". That is, when I say "Pizza is good!" I'm not claiming that every single pizza out there is good, only that it's likely that if I were to have pizza, I'd like it.

    I could meet a nice pit bull and faultily conclude that all pit bulls are nice. I think that would be composition.

    But I'm saying "golden retrievers are nicer than pit bulls" that doesn't mean there aren't mean golden retrievers or nice pit bulls -- it's just talking to the overall likliehood.

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    If I may be so bold -- you shouldn't let my opinions offend you, be stronger than that! IMO people get wayyyy too attached to labels these days. Just be your own person!

    I'm sure somebody, somewhere has run a study like I suggested. I just wish I could find one. I do think it's generally accepted though that liberals are just not as happy overall, so it's kinda a life thing I guess.

    [sorry CaptainCourtesy, I'm going to generalize again! This doesn't mean that there aren't any happy liberals!].
    And how do you measure happiness?

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I don't think this applies, because i'm not claiming "characteristics of the entire class or group".
    When you state, categorically, "I know that liberals don't like America as much as regular people," you are guilty of gross over-generalization. Among other things.

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