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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    You will never ever be able to prove a hypothetical construct.

    Theories have been, and will continue to be, proven.
    Theories aren't really "proven" they are good-enough explanations for what is observable. They are often disproven. Even scientific "laws" can be "disproven" (to an extent) for example, Newton's law of gravity is a damn good explanation, but it isn't "right." The more we learn, the greater the need to refine our theories.

    That being said, of course I agree that you can't prove a hypothetical construct (hence the name).

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    FINALLY. Jesus.
    If you were paying attention, I said as much wayyy back on page 13 when I explained to you the concept of hypothetical constructs.

    1. There is no way to measure who loves America more, conservatives or liberals. Making a claim that one group or the other cares more about their country is nothing more than an OPINION.
    No we don't agree on this, we agree that your magic doo-hickey thingamabob doesn't exist. There are lots of ways to measure this, some more sophisticated than others. There are people who earn Ph.Ds studying such phenomena, who are able to make all sorts of predictions that aren't as reliable as those observed in the physical world, but are pretty reliable nonetheless.

    We humans are a lot more complicated than gravitation and entropy.

    2. There is no way to measure who is happier, conservatives or liberals. Making a claim that one group or the other is happier is nothing more than an OPINION.
    There are lots of ways to measure this. And, as I just got done discussing with it2002, all interpretations of data are OPINION (as you call it), there's just differing degrees of certainty.

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Theories aren't really "proven" they are good-enough explanations for what is observable. They are often disproven. Even scientific "laws" can be "disproven" (to an extent) for example, Newton's law of gravity is a damn good explanation, but it isn't "right." The more we learn, the greater the need to refine our theories.

    That being said, of course I agree that you can't prove a hypothetical construct (hence the name).
    True, theories can be disproven. But many have been proven.
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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Originally Posted by Crunch
    When the water is right up to your chin, you think it's best to dig a little deeper?

    So if I'm not happy in the way you think I should be, I'm not really happy even though I think I'm happy?

    (here, use my shovel... it's called logic, maybe you can fill in that hole a bit)
    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Nice strawman, I never said, nor implied that.

    I am saying that just because you think that you are happy, does not necessarily mean that you are. What my view of happiness is is totally independent, and only relates when applied to me.
    Case closed.
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    However it is entirely possible for someone to think they are happy all of their lives, and then suddenly wake up one day and the entire facade comes crumbling down because they were just rationalizing that they were happy to protect their psyche.

    I am not claiming that you are unhappy, it is very likely that you are in fact very happy. I am just saying that thinking one is happy does not equal being happy. Although related, emotions and thoughts are not the same entity. They both influence one another, yes; however a mind is quite able to deceive the individual to protect that individual.

    so using logic (which I have been) thought does not equal emotion. happiness is subjective, thus varies from individual to individual, and also within the same individual as a product of circumstance. Being subjective it is not readily defined, and not being readily definable makes applying further logic to an undefined, subjective (and immeasurable) concept futile.
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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    You will never ever be able to prove a hypothetical construct.

    Theories have been, and will continue to be, proven.
    And disproven....

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    FINALLY. Jesus.

    Ok. For the record, we now agree that:

    1. There is no way to measure who loves America more, conservatives or liberals. Making a claim that one group or the other cares more about their country is nothing more than an OPINION.

    2. There is no way to measure who is happier, conservatives or liberals. Making a claim that one group or the other is happier is nothing more than an OPINION.

    Still waiting for the definition of "regular people."
    You need to see the Proffesor at NYU about that.... he seems to think he can.

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    And disproven....
    Yes, that happens too. That doesn't mitigate a fundamental difference between scientific theory and hypothetical constructs.
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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Yes, that happens too. That doesn't mitigate a fundamental difference between scientific theory and hypothetical constructs.
    Never said it did, but the libs here that say the study at NYU is only an opinion don't.... that is who your argument is with.

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    Re: 'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Never said it did, but the libs here that say the study at NYU is only an opinion don't.... that is who your argument is with.
    That study is an opinion.

    Where's the control for this study?
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