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    Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200

    The latest detailed review by FactCheck.org in regards to an chain email going around attacking one of the proposed health care bills.

    A notorious analysis of the House health care bill contains 48 claims. Twenty-six of them are false and the rest mostly misleading. Only four are true.
    Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200 | FactCheck.org

    I personally don't agree with universal health care for the mere fact that I think the government won't do any better job then the private sector would.
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    Re: Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The latest detailed review by FactCheck.org in regards to an chain email going around attacking one of the proposed health care bills.


    Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200 | FactCheck.org

    I personally don't agree with universal health care for the mere fact that I think the government won't do any better job then the private sector would.
    I wish many who were against the bill would be as even handed as you are being. Thank you. A breath of fresh air.
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    Re: Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200

    Why is FactCheck an unquestionable entity?
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    Re: Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why is FactCheck an unquestionable entity?
    It's not. If there is anything they posted in the article that you find false please share it.
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    Re: Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why is FactCheck an unquestionable entity?
    They are not, but I have yet to catch them in a distortion or inaccuracy. There should be no unquestionable entities though.

    I figure they are fairly unbiased because far too often, they post something that is inconvenient to my views, and I have to change my ideas on a topic to fit reality because of it.

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    Re: Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200

    Something I found very interesting is that there are other forms of health care reform legistlation/proposals out there - 7 in all, not just the House Bill (HR 3200):



    *Links provided where available

    According to the website GovTrack.us, which keeps track of all bills proposed by Congress, each bill (H.R. 15, H.R. 676, H.R. 2520/S. 1099 and H.R. 3200) are all still active. I know it's a lot of reading, so I recommend for those who are interested to go to the Kaiser Family Foundation's website and review the side-by-side chart that summarizes each HCR proposal mentioned above. here.

    For what it's worth...

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    While I understand why the House bill (3200) continues to come under heavy scrutiny (the Dems control the House and the Reps will stop at little to nothing to take power from them - the a-typical power play when one political party no longer holds power in Congress), I find it highly interesting that neither of the bills proposed by the Senate Finance Committee or the Senate HELP Committee are being mentioned despite all three proposals share many similarities. For example, all three bills (four if you include the President's proposal) recommend:

    • ensure all Americans are covered by affordable health care
    • est. some form of a public option (Health Insurance Exchange or state-sponsored insurance "gateway")
    • that employers pay an excess tax on insurance premiums
    • that individuals who do not obtain health insurace are penalized
    • that employers who do not provide health insurance to their employees are penalized
    • that Medicaid is expanded to cover more individuals
    • that small business have a means to providing affordable health care to their employees
    • that no one should lose their health insurance due to change of employers, divorce or death of primary insurance holder.
    • est. a review/audit "commission/committee" to ensure insurance benefits are similar in both the public and private sectors
    • setting benefit co-pay caps per individual and families
    • promote quality care and preventive medicine over "treatment".
    • using information technology (IT) to "share" health information and prompt payment systems (electronic funds transfer - EFT)
    • that states have the choice to establish their on state-sponsored HIE (except as for the HELP Committee proposal which is a state-sponsored plan).


    I find it very hypercritical of Senate Republicans to put down the House bill (3200) while knowing full well their health care reform bills (as submitted by both Senate committees) are asking for much of the same things. Yet, mainstream media isn't talking about them - not a peep. (Again, I understand why...I just think it's wrong.)
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    Re: Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post

    According to the website GovTrack.us, which keeps track of all bills proposed by Congress, each bill (H.R. 15, H.R. 676, H.R. 2520/S. 1099 and H.R. 3200) are all still active. I know it's a lot of reading, so I recommend for those who are interested to go to the Kaiser Family Foundation's website and review the side-by-side chart that summarizes each HCR proposal mentioned above. here.
    Awesome link, thanks alot for it.

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    Oh, and might I add that for all of Sen. Grassley's tough talk against having a public option in any health care reform legistlation, he IS the co-author of the Senate Finance Committee's "Policy Option" health care reform proposal. Talk about being two-faced!

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    Re: Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why is FactCheck an unquestionable entity?
    They are not So callthem on something and then see if they admit to a mistake.

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    Re: Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200

    Maybe if the Republicans were to stop using Tommy Flanagan of Pathological Liars Anonymous to write their talking points?

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