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    Re: CIA enhanced interigation docs released. Cheney responds

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Let's not delude ourselves... the world is NOT a safe place, even with a cop on every street corner would not make things any safer... some woould rightfully argue it'd make things MORE dangerous..
    More Policing Does Matter Recent Findings from Objective Empirical Research

    "the focus of this discussion has been on crime rates and policing. Our view is that with the right leadership and direction, each additional officer we deploy will reduce crime."


    Over a dozen studies/references addressed in that.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Innocent people will die all the time... this cannot be prevented no matter how much 'safety' is in place..
    Everyone dies except maybe Santa and Highlander just fyi.
    That doesnt mean we let the dice roll where terrorism and crime is concerned.

    We do the best we can because ....well the alternative sucks even more..

    If you dont believe cop presence makes a difference punch someone in the head in front of one and see what happens.

    You dont even have to do anything but be a jerk and get arrrested in the DC area.

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    Last edited by akyron; 08-27-09 at 07:35 PM.
    Thank you

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    Re: CIA enhanced interigation docs released. Cheney responds

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    More Policing Does Matter Recent Findings from Objective Empirical Research

    "the focus of this discussion has been on crime rates and policing. Our view is that with the right leadership and direction, each additional officer we deploy will reduce crime."


    Over a dozen studies/references addressed in that.
    No no, I do get your point... however, there are limits. I mean, at a certain point there are more cops then there are crimes to cope with and so all the 'excess' cops just spend their time writing tickets.

    Everyone dies except maybe Santa and Highlander just fyi.
    That doesnt mean we let the dice roll where terrorism and crime is concerned.

    We do the best we can because ....well the alternative sucks even more..

    If you dont believe cop presence makes a difference punch someone in the head in front of one and see what happens.
    Obviously cops have a tough job to keep the streets safe as they can... I'm not saying get rid of cops altogether... what I'm saying is that there has to be limits on how many cops for a given population, because the increase in police presence goes beyond the safety that's provided... especially when cops get into the 'gang mentality' and start abusing their powers... once that happens with a huge police presence... What's left?

    You dont even have to do anything but be a jerk and get arrrested in the DC area.

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    So you know what it's like to live in a police state. Just shut up and do as your told, then the worst you gotta deal with is getting a ticket.

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    Re: CIA enhanced interigation docs released. Cheney responds

    I'm still skeptical about the notion that torture actually saved lives or produced crucial intelligence. I'm not saying that it didn't. However, we have not seen proof that torture did in fact save lives. Personally, I'm pretty skeptical of any claims about policy effectiveness without randomized trials. From the reports, we know that torture was not randomized and was probably applied to the detainees that could provide the most intelligence despite the method used to elicit the intelligence. Moreover, the detainees were subjected to traditional interrogation methods as well as torture in a short time period. From a scientific perspective, we must conclude that we are very uncertain about the effects of torture on eliciting intelligence. I guess folks will disagree about whether we should use torture, if it is proven effective. However, I don't think we know that torture is proven effective given the current information that we have.

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