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Canadians visit U.S. to get health care

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The Canadian system works so well, that they have contracted with American health providers to handle the overflow.

Hospitals in border cities, including Detroit, are forging lucrative arrangements with Canadian health agencies to provide care not widely available across the border.

Agreements between Detroit hospitals and the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care for heart, imaging tests, bariatric and other services provide access to some services not immediately available in the province, said ministry spokesman David Jensen.


Canadians visit U.S. to get health care | Detroit Free Press | Freep.com
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apdst said:
The Canadian system works so well, that they have contracted with American health providers to handle the overflow.
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And again, we aren't Canada nor are we considering a single payer system. Please get some damn facts before posting drivel.
 
There is another small fact being glossed over. The reason the Ontario government contracted with U.S. hospitals is because Ontario, and especially the area across the Detroit river, is not densely populated. Like most rural areas (even in the U.S.) you need to drive quite a distance to get some procedures. Toronto is farther away than Detroit. So let's pay Detroit area hospitals to do the procedures. Problem solved.

Although one can point out troubles with the Canadian system, this is not a good example.
 
formerroadie said:
And again, we aren't Canada nor are we considering a single payer system. Please get some damn facts before posting drivel.
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1) We've heard incessently about how good socialized medicine is in Canada. If you're not one of the folks that have claimed that in the past, then obviously the post wasn't directed at you.

2) PBO has already told us that single-payer is his ultimate goal.



stekim said:
There is another small fact being glossed over. The reason the Ontario government contracted with U.S. hospitals is because Ontario, and especially the area across the Detroit river, is not densely populated. Like most rural areas (even in the U.S.) you need to drive quite a distance to get some procedures. Toronto is farther away than Detroit. So let's pay Detroit area hospitals to do the procedures. Problem solved.

Although one can point out troubles with the Canadian system, this is not a good example.
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Then, why not just build a few hospitals?
 
CHIS News - May 26, 2009

And a half million Americans at least go to Mexico for healthcare..

Or how about the 30.000+ that travel to Thailand for healthcare?

How about India?

Or how about those American's that dont get any healthcare at all because they cant afford it?
 
PeteEU said:
CHIS News - May 26, 2009

And a half million Americans at least go to Mexico for healthcare..

Or how about the 30.000+ that travel to Thailand for healthcare?

How about India?

Or how about those American's that dont get any healthcare at all because they cant afford it?
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They go down there for prescription medicine that is illegal in the states. That's not exactly headline news.
 
apdst said:
1) We've heard incessently about how good socialized medicine is in Canada. If you're not one of the folks that have claimed that in the past, then obviously the post wasn't directed at you.

2) PBO has already told us that single-payer is his ultimate goal.


Then, why not just build a few hospitals?
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No, I believe that the Canadian system is far superior to ours. I want a single payer system. Unfortunately, Congress has their heads up their asses and their hands in the pockets of the insurance companies. The other tragedy is the right wingers like it that way.

Stekim, thanks for the info on the Detroit hospitals. That makes a lot of sense. Most of my Canadian friends like their health care and wouldn't want to live in the American system if you paid them.
 
formerroadie said:
Stekim, thanks for the info on the Detroit hospitals. That makes a lot of sense. Most of my Canadian friends like their health care and wouldn't want to live in the American system if you paid them.
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There is no perfect system. Canada has it's issues, too. But the fact is, they do provide quality healthcare for all their citizens. That is a fact. Granted, we may not like the system. We may not want the system. And that's fine. But it does provide high quality care. And using Detroit hospitals for people closer to Detroit than a large Canadian city is a great idea because it saves money while still ensuring everyone is covered. Helps Detroit, too. Seems like a win-win-win.
 
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apdst said:
They go down there for prescription medicine that is illegal in the states. That's not exactly headline news.
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They do it for legal and illegal medicine. My mom takes a perfectly legal medicine. She stocked up while in Mexico. It was dirt cheap. No prescription needed. Just go in and buy it. It's a great thing provided you live near Mexico.
 
stekim said:
There is no perfect system. Canada has it's issues, too. But the fact is, they do provide quality healthcare for all their citizens. That is a fact. Granted, we may not like the system. We may not want the system. And that's fine. But it does provide high quality care. And using Detroit hospitals for people closer to Detroit than a large Canadian city is a great idea because it saves money while still ensuring everyone is covered. Helps Detroit, too. Seems like a win-win-win.
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Exactly. No system will be perfect. I wish our Congress would just get to the business of making the best one they can. Instead, they are politicking.
 
formerroadie said:
No, I believe that the Canadian system is far superior to ours. I want a single payer system. Unfortunately, Congress has their heads up their asses and their hands in the pockets of the insurance companies. The other tragedy is the right wingers like it that way.

Stekim, thanks for the info on the Detroit hospitals. That makes a lot of sense. Most of my Canadian friends like their health care and wouldn't want to live in the American system if you paid them.
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Canadian health care has alot of issues and also costs alot more then ours. I heard yesterday that about 42% of Canada's tax revenue went into the health care system. Thats alot more expensive then ours. Some Canadian officals in the health care system believe it is near the breaking point.

A single payer system in the US would be like Medicare on steroids. I see no way we could afford it unless we taxed everyone 60%+.
 
Baralis said:
Canadian health care has alot of issues and also costs alot more then ours. I heard yesterday that about 42% of Canada's tax revenue went into the health care system. Thats alot more expensive then ours. Some Canadian officals in the health care system believe it is near the breaking point.

A single payer system in the US would be like Medicare on steroids. I see no way we could afford it unless we taxed everyone 60%+.
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1) It costs a higher percentage probably because it covers a higher percentage of people. To me, other people's lives are more important than pocket change.
2) There would be a lot of savings if US went single payer. I don't know how much, but it has a lot of advantages such as easy access to patient's records from anywhere (instead of calling and requesting a copy of paper records) and allowing more people to work with smaller recovery periods.
3) Also, Medicare on steroids? Wouldn't that be an even higher satisfaction percentage than what we have now?
 
apdst said:
They go down there for prescription medicine that is illegal in the states. That's not exactly headline news.
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Guess you did not read the article or just choose to ignore the other 95% of it... typical right winger.
 
Baralis said:
Canadian health care has alot of issues and also costs alot more then ours. I heard yesterday that about 42% of Canada's tax revenue went into the health care system. Thats alot more expensive then ours. Some Canadian officals in the health care system believe it is near the breaking point.

A single payer system in the US would be like Medicare on steroids. I see no way we could afford it unless we taxed everyone 60%+.
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I also heard that US insurers have death panels that pick and choose people who they want to be killed off!

Seriously this disinformation has got to stop, or at least attempt to back up your accusations.
 
Baralis said:
Canadian health care has alot of issues and also costs alot more then ours. I heard yesterday that about 42% of Canada's tax revenue went into the health care system. Thats a lot more expensive then ours. Some Canadian officals in the health care system believe it is near the breaking point.

A single payer system in the US would be like Medicare on steroids. I see no way we could afford it unless we taxed everyone 60%+.
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Not sure where you get your info, but American healthcare cost a lot more than the Canadian system. How the heck did you get so misinformed??? :confused:

I believe that administrative costs alone in the American system is a staggering 30-40%. Incredible!!! If I were American, I would be outraged!

Government and private health and public policy analysts have compared the health care systems of Canada and the United States.[1][2][3][4] The U.S. spends much more on health care than Canada, both on a per-capita basis and as a percentage of GDP.[5] In 2006, per-capita spending for health care in the U.S. was US$6,714; in Canada, US$3,678.[5] The U.S. spent 15.3% of GDP on health care in that year; Canada spent 10.0%.[5] In 2006, 70% of health care spending in Canada was financed by government, versus 46% in the United States. Total government spending per capita in the U.S. on health care was 23% higher than Canadian government spending, and U.S. government expenditure on health care was just under 83% of total Canadian spending (public and private).[6]
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[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems]Comparison of Canadian and American health care systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
Middleground said:
Not sure where you get your info, but American healthcare cost a lot more than the Canadian system. How the heck did you get so misinformed??? :confused:
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Of course it does. MD's are always more expensive than veterinarians.

Canada cut's off folks from terminal treatment at, what? 65? And you don't have 15 million illegal aliens to take care of, either.
 
apdst said:
Of course it does. MD's are always more expensive than veterinarians.

Canada cut's off folks from terminal treatment at, what? 65? And you don't have 15 million illegal aliens to take care of, either.
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LOL talk about desperate. Now you are blaming the illegals for your problems? What is next.. the jews? The blacks?
 
PeteEU said:
LOL talk about desperate. Now you are blaming the illegals for your problems? What is next.. the jews? The blacks?
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Just pointing out a fact. Care to show me where illegals receiving free health care is causing costs to go down?

Look, the United States has the largest minority population in the world. It's only a matter of time before that weighs on the social programs in this country. Don't try abd BS us and say that it doesn't matter.

I don't have the numbers to prove it one way, or another, but I bet the US has the largest welfare class of any industrialized nation in the world.
 
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apdst said:
Of course it does. MD's are always more expensive than veterinarians.

Canada cut's off folks from terminal treatment at, what? 65? And you don't have 15 million illegal aliens to take care of, either.
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Do you honestly think that Canadians get treated by vets? Where in the heck did you hear that? :lol: :confused:

And you actually think that Canadians do not get healthcare after 65? Where in the heck did you hear that? :lol: :confused:

My dad, who is 78, is currently going through chemo. And if you think you're right, why do Canadians live longer than Americans? :lol:

Your "facts" are so incredibly twisted, you really need to get your information somewhere else. It's really sad how some people allow themselves to be so brainwashed, that reality is completely void.
 
I must apologize for posting when I did not have my facts correct. I was listening to the tv halfheartedly in the background and I should have known better then to post something I wasnt paying much attention to.

What I did hear wasnt about Candian health care at all but instead about Britians NHS.


Daniel Hannan a member of the european parliament said that
"1.4 million people are employed by Britains NHS, most of those being administrators". The 3rd largest employer in the world. The numbers dont reflect reality in costs. Alot is not taken into consideration such as government subsidizing private insurance which adds to the costs not accounted for in the NHS numbers.
 
Baralis said:
I must apologize for posting when I did not have my facts correct. I was listening to the tv halfheartedly in the background and I should have known better then to post something I wasnt paying much attention to.

What I did hear wasnt about Candian health care at all but instead about Britians NHS.


Daniel Hannan a member of the european parliament said that
"1.4 million people are employed by Britains NHS, most of those being administrators". The 3rd largest employer in the world. The numbers dont reflect reality in costs. Alot is not taken into consideration such as government subsidizing private insurance which adds to the costs not accounted for in the NHS numbers.
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Lol you believe that hack?

Yea the UK's NHS has a lot of people employed, but most of those being administrators? yea... right..

This from a man who has been frozen out of his own party and publicly denounced by his party leader for spreading lies and half truths for 15 min of fame in the US?
 
The point isn't that Canadian health costs more, or that American health care is broke.

All we've heard from th foreigners is how much better their systems are and how much our's sucks. It appears that the Canadian health care system isn't all it's cracked up to be, if they're exporting patients to the United States.
 
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