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    'We are God's partners in matters of life and death'

    'We are God's partners in matters of life and death' - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

    "We are God's partners in matters of life and death," Obama said, according to Moline (paging Sarah Palin...), quoting from the Rosh Hashanah prayer that says that in the holiday period, it is decided "who shall live and who shall die."
    It's nice to know that Dear Leader can pervert all religions with equal vigor. Claiming to be "God's partner" in matters of life and death while simultaneously quoting the U'Netaneh Tokef Kedushat Hayom prayer recited during Rosh Hashanah services is presumptive in the extreme....particularly when the prayer itself does not lend itself to such an equivalency:

    Rosh HaShanah - U'Netaneh Tokef - The Full Text - OU.ORG
    Let us now relate the power of this day's holiness, for it is awesome and frightening. On it Your Kingship will be exalted; Your throne will be firmed with kindness and You will sit upon it in truth. It is true that You alone are the One Who judges, proves, knows, and bears witness; Who writes and seats, (counts and calculates); Who remembers all that was forgotten. You will open the Book of Chronicles - it will read itself, and everyone's signature is in it. The great shofar will be sounded and a still, thin sound will be heard. Angels will hasten, a trembling and terror will seize them - and they will say, 'Behold, it is the Day of Judgment, to muster the heavenly host for judgment!'- for they cannot be vindicated in Your eyes in judgment.

    All mankind will pass before You like members of the flock. Like a shepherd pasturing his flock, making sheep pass under his staff, so shall You cause to pass, count, calculate, and consider the soul of all the living; and You shall apportion the fixed needs of all Your creatures and inscribe their verdict.

    On Rosh Hashanah will be inscribed and on Yom Kippur will be sealed how many will pass from the earth and how many will be created; who will live and who will die; who will die at his predestined time and who before his time; who by water and who by fire, who by sword, who by beast, who by famine, who by thirst, who by storm, who by plague, who by strangulation, and who by stoning. Who will rest and who will wander, who will live in harmony and who will be harried, who will enjoy tranquillity and who will suffer, who will be impoverished and who will be enriched, who will be degraded and who will be exalted.

    In the Rosh Hashanah prayer, God has no partners. Seems rather arrogant of Dear Leader to suggest otherwise.

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    Re: 'We are God's partners in matters of life and death'

    Does the president realize that one comes into life alone and typically dies alone?
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    Re: 'We are God's partners in matters of life and death'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    'We are God's partners in matters of life and death' - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

    It's nice to know that Dear Leader can pervert all religions with equal vigor. Claiming to be "God's partner" in matters of life and death while simultaneously quoting the U'Netaneh Tokef Kedushat Hayom prayer recited during Rosh Hashanah services is presumptive in the extreme....particularly when the prayer itself does not lend itself to such an equivalency:

    Rosh HaShanah - U'Netaneh Tokef - The Full Text - OU.ORG

    In the Rosh Hashanah prayer, God has no partners. Seems rather arrogant of Dear Leader to suggest otherwise.
    While I'm not sure he is correct theologically, I know that you are no Rabbi. So, I suggest keeping your Faux Rage out of the theological realm.
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    Re: 'We are God's partners in matters of life and death'

    Theology aside, I don't think I'm comfortable with any elected official claiming to be God's partner in matters of life and death. I am in full support of healthcare rationing and euthanasia-- among other ways that government intervenes in life and death-- and I still find the arrogance of that statement to be more than a little unsettling. Deciding who is a worthwhile investment of resources or not is one thing... deciding who lives and who dies is quite another.

    Though this does explain to me why President Obama has been slow in finding a church and why his membership in Reverend Wright's church did not trouble him-- I now doubt very seriously that the President is a religious man and that his church attendance is any more than a matter of political expediency. Unfortunately, some people seem to think this is a very important matter, instead of yet another distraction away from very important matters.

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    Re: 'We are God's partners in matters of life and death'

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    While I'm not sure he is correct theologically, I know that you are no Rabbi. So, I suggest keeping your Faux Rage out of the theological realm.
    Rage? Hardly. Disapproval definitely. Contempt certainly. Nor does it take any particular creed to feel that the intimation that Man is "God's partner" in judging who will live and who will die is an unseemly arrogance.

    Dear Leader was wrong. Dear Leader is wrong. Man is not God's partner in matters of life and death. If ever there was a judgment that is beyond Dear Leader's pay grade, it is that one.

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    Re: 'We are God's partners in matters of life and death'

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Does the president realize that one comes into life alone and typically dies alone?
    I suspect that he believes the state giveth life, and the state taketh life away (all hail the majesty of the state.).

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    Re: 'We are God's partners in matters of life and death'

    I had my fill of religion in the White House with George W.

    In my mind he's simply pandering to the religious among us, but trying to be inclusive of as many as possible. Maybe that's okay. I don't want him endorsing Christianity, or Judaism, or any other. The best way to avoid that is to recognize all.

    But maybe do some research. I don't know.
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