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    Re: For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The article didn't say there were no protests. It was about the lack of interest in it from the usual suspects who drove the Lefty machine during the Bush years, when they WERE all about it.
    I just found out over 90 million links with anti-war protests on them. A big one coming up in October. So how can there possibly not be any interest in it?
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    Re: For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I just found out over 90 million links with anti-war protests on them. A big one coming up in October. So how can there possibly not be any interest in it?
    GOOGLE SCHMOOGLE.

    Perhaps you can address the salient point of the piece cited in the OP:

    Perhaps more tellingly, Greenberg asked activists to name the issue that "you, personally, spend the most time advancing currently." The winner, again, was health care reform. Next came "working to elect progressive candidates in the 2010 elections." Then came a bunch of other issues. At the very bottom -- last place, named by just one percent of participants -- came working to end U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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    Re: For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all

    The true left never ceased protesting, and did not care whether rightist Democrats replaced rightist Republicans, which accounts for the Marxist-led ANSWER Coalition's continued activity.

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    Re: For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think the author has a point. It wasn't the war they were protesting it was Bush. It seems almost all the wackos protesting the wars have ceased since Obama came to office.

    For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all | Washington Examiner

    Remember the anti-war movement? Not too long ago, the Democratic party's most loyal voters passionately opposed the war in Iraq. Democratic presidential candidates argued over who would withdraw American troops the quickest. Netroots activists regularly denounced President George W. Bush, and sometimes the U.S. military ("General Betray Us"). Cindy Sheehan, the woman whose soldier son was killed in Iraq, became a heroine when she led protests at Bush's Texas ranch.

    That was then. Now, even though the United States still has roughly 130,000 troops in Iraq, and is quickly escalating the war in Afghanistan -- 68,000 troops there by the end of this year, and possibly more in 2010 -- anti-war voices on the Left have fallen silent.

    No group was more angrily opposed to the war in Iraq than the netroots activists clustered around the left-wing Web site DailyKos. It's an influential site, one of the biggest on the Web, and in the Bush years many of its devotees took an active role in raising money and campaigning for anti-war candidates.

    In 2006, DailyKos held its first annual convention, called YearlyKos, in Las Vegas. Amid the slightly discordant surroundings of the Riviera Hotel casino, the webby activists spent hours discussing and planning strategies not only to defeat Republicans but also to pressure Democrats to oppose the war more forcefully. The gathering attracted lots of mainstream press attention; Internet activism was the hot new thing.

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    Cindy Sheehan is learning that. She's still protesting the war, and on Monday she announced plans to demonstrate at Martha's Vineyard, where President Obama will be vacationing.

    "We as a movement need to continue calling for an immediate end to the occupations [in Iraq and Afghanistan] even when there is a Democrat in the Oval Office," Sheehan said in a statement. "There is still no Noble Cause no matter how we examine the policies."

    Give her credit for consistency, if nothing else. But her days are over. The people who most fervently supported her have moved on.

    Not too long ago, some observers worried that Barack Obama would come under increasing pressure from the Left to leave both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, it seems those worries were unfounded. For many liberal activists, opposing the war was really about opposing George W. Bush. When Bush disappeared, so did their anti-war passion.
    We are (slowly) drawing down in Iraq. Would be nice if it was faster, but we are going in the right direction. In Afghanistan, most liberals actually supported the war there from the beginning. Where we supposed to change that somehow?

    There are fewer protests, and less coverage because things are simply going better.

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    Re: For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    The true left never ceased protesting, and did not care whether rightist Democrats replaced rightist Republicans, which accounts for the Marxist-led ANSWER Coalition's continued activity.
    Yeah, and for ANSWER, it's never actually about war, it's about anti-capitalism.
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    Re: For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I just found out over 90 million links with anti-war protests on them. A big one coming up in October. So how can there possibly not be any interest in it?
    Don't know. Show me the interest among those about whom York was writing.
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    Re: For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are fewer protests, and less coverage because things are simply going better.
    It's posts like this that make the time I waste on these forums worth my while!


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    Re: For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are fewer protests, and less coverage because things are simply going better.
    By the way, by 'going better' do you mean we're winning? Or are we just losing less badly?


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    Re: For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Cindy Sheehan: Non-hypocrite. I think she's a joke, but props where props are due.

    Anyway, there's a whole HOST of things, once considered proof positive of the "Bush Reich," which are suddenly OK.

    And a lot of things which were ridiculed, too, but for some reason still stick around.

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    As I have said in the past, people that protest against whoever the current crop of clowns in power have no problem with the actions they protest are being done by those they support.

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    Yes they are but they do far outnumber "real" Conservatives. What you are likely calling Conservative are really Authoritarians.
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    Before I thought that perhaps we would lose the war on terrorism because we have no real patience for the amount of effort it would take, but I consistently heard Afghanistan was the justified place. Now Americans are becoming increasingly dissatisfied of the idea of being at war in Afghanistan. Thanks to this poll, I'm reluctantly saying that if this keeps up, Americans would have not crafted a War on Terrorism strategy and will flounder. I'm severely becoming disappointed.
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