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    Re: Woman Shouts "Heil Hitler!" At Jewish Man Praising Israel's National Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by SicSemperTyrannis View Post
    Nazism is not far far right. Hundreds of historians and political scientists have studied Nazism and can't really classify it as right or left because it has features of both. Hitler thought every German should have a car (the Volkswagen beetle believe it or not). Volkswagen in German is "the people's car". That's a very leftist idea. Nazism is neither right nor left, but somewhere in the middle.

    Communism = FAR FAR LEFT

    Anarchy = FAR FAR RIGHT
    Rofl giving a free car to people is leftist? Wow.

    Nazi Ideology

    Various right-wing politicians and political parties in Europe welcomed the rise of fascism and the Nazis out of an intense aversion towards Communism. According to them, Hitler was the savior of Western civilization and of capitalism against Bolshevism. Among these supporters in the 1920s and early 1930s was the Conservative Party in Britain. During the later 1930s and 1940s, the Nazis were supported by the Falange movement in Spain, and by political and military figures who would form the government of Vichy France. A Legion of French Volunteers against Bolshevism (LVF) and other anti-Soviet fighting formations, were formed.

    The British Conservative party and the right-wing parties in France appeased the Nazi regime in the mid- and late-1930s, even though they had begun to criticise its totalitarianism. Some contemporary commentators suggested that these parties did in fact still support the Nazis.
    I'm sure if one ignores the fact that Hitler thought that German born Jews weren't German and instead of getting a car they should get the gas chamber. Yeah I guess one could consider Hitler middle of the road. Right. It seems that regimes with leftist tend to go towards 'the entire' population and not selective just look at Cuba. Everybody get free ****. But being black or Jewish, poor or fat doesn't disqualify you from it. For you to claim that giving White-blue eyed Germans cars makes Nazism something that is up for discussion as far as the lean of the ideology goes is pretty dishonest. The people who today claim to be the new neo-nazis place themselves SQUARELY on the right. So how could Nazism not be far right?
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    Re: Woman Shouts "Heil Hitler!" At Jewish Man Praising Israel's National Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And the typical crowd that Obama attracts is the type of person who was out in the streets in 04 carrying a "Bush = Hitler" sign, and who is part of the Workers World Party.

    See how easy it is to make stupid comments?
    I can see why statements such as this are made:

    1) Bush clamps down on free speech.

    2) Liberals yell "Heil Hitler".

    3) Obama becomes the president.

    4) Obama clamps down on free speech.

    5) Conservatives yell "Heil Hitler".

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    Re: Woman Shouts "Heil Hitler!" At Jewish Man Praising Israel's National Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Let's not blame this on Rush. Let's just blame it on the asshole who did it and move on.
    Beck and Hannity both run these video montages with Nazi and Communist Russia imagery intercut with Obama.

    People without the education to know better get sucked into all that fear-based propaganda. McCarthyism, the red scare was all about fear of the nonexistent threat.

    Look at Katie Abrams -- “I know that years down the road, I don’t want my children coming to me and asking me, ‘Mom, why didn’t you do anything? Why do we have to wait in line for, I don’t know, toilet paper or anything?’”

    Where do you think she got that? People that uneducated don't come up with crap like that on their own.

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    Re: Woman Shouts "Heil Hitler!" At Jewish Man Praising Israel's National Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Beck and Hannity both run these video montages with Nazi and Communist Russia imagery intercut with Obama.

    People without the education to know better get sucked into all that fear-based propaganda. McCarthyism, the red scare was all about fear of the nonexistent threat.

    Look at Katie Abrams -- “I know that years down the road, I don’t want my children coming to me and asking me, ‘Mom, why didn’t you do anything? Why do we have to wait in line for, I don’t know, toilet paper or anything?’”

    Where do you think she got that? People that uneducated don't come up with crap like that on their own.
    None of that takes away from personal responsibility. The woman in this case is solely responsible for her actions. This is important to remember, because next time it might be some one shouting at a conservative, and we get blamed for it.

    I am not going to say that Rush, Beck or Hannity are anything other than assholes. They are. They are also not at fault here.

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    Re: Woman Shouts "Heil Hitler!" At Jewish Man Praising Israel's National Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And the typical crowd that Obama attracts is the type of person who was out in the streets in 04 carrying a "Bush = Hitler" sign, and who is part of the Workers World Party.

    See how easy it is to make stupid comments?
    Lets get real here. Both sides have nutjobs in their base, but its quite obvious that the Republicans right now have a significantly larger number of nutjobs in their base then the Democrats have in their base.

    Being you are up there in NYC, I don't think you really have an accurate picture of how extreme many in the Republican base have become. Those New York Republicans, they are anomalies. They are not representative of typical Republican activists in the south and parts of the midwest. The birthers, the deathers, the fundimentalists, that's your party's base right now. So yeah, you can find plenty of examples of extremists in the Democratic base, the types that called Bush a war criminal and protest WTO meetings and the like, but it's not a majority of the Democratic base like the nutjobs are not a majority of the Republican base.

    To get an accurate picture of what they base of the Republican Party looks like you need to get out of NYC and go to an Assemblies of God revival down in Tennessee or Arkansas. Talk to those people for a little while about current events. Get to know them, that is the party base. So don't get mad when someone points out the nutjobs in the party, its not like they put them there.
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    Re: Woman Shouts "Heil Hitler!" At Jewish Man Praising Israel's National Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    To get an accurate picture of what they base of the Republican Party looks like you need to get out of NYC and go to an Assemblies of God revival down in Tennessee or Arkansas. Talk to those people for a little while about current events. Get to know them, that is the party base. So don't get mad when someone points out the nutjobs in the party, its not like they put them there.
    Then go spend some time in Haight-Ashbury and do the same thing.
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    Re: Woman Shouts "Heil Hitler!" At Jewish Man Praising Israel's National Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    None of that takes away from personal responsibility. The woman in this case is solely responsible for her actions. This is important to remember, because next time it might be some one shouting at a conservative, and we get blamed for it.

    I am not going to say that Rush, Beck or Hannity are anything other than assholes. They are. They are also not at fault here.
    There's got to be a line somewhere, and I'm not saying Beck and Hannity have crossed it yet, when hyperbole turns into dangerous libel. They are definitely pushing the envelope.

    People without a college education or a basic understanding of 20th century political history are very susceptible to these images. Maybe they (RW pundits) are just trying to fire people up for the midterms.

    But what happens when one of these armed town hall folks really loses his cool. Look at some of the posters on this board--they can't see the problem with slinging an assault rifle over your shoulder and walking around in public.

    No, you won't be able to tie a shooting in AZ to Sean Hannity's nightly video montages, unless the shooter is very specific about what inspired him. But why does it have to come to that before some of these far-right folks tone it down.

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    Re: Woman Shouts "Heil Hitler!" At Jewish Man Praising Israel's National Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Then go spend some time in Haight-Ashbury and do the same thing.
    How many people hang out in Haight-Ashbury versus how many people are you going to find in typical fundamentalist revival? Only a tiny percentage of the Democratic base lives in San Fransisco.

    As I wrote, there are nut jobs on the left, no doubt about it, just not nearly as many right now as there are on the right. These Republicans on here from places like the North East don't get just how extreme many Republicans are anymore in places like the south and lower midwest.
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    Re: Woman Shouts "Heil Hitler!" At Jewish Man Praising Israel's National Health Care

    Hitler was a centirst?

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    Re: Woman Shouts "Heil Hitler!" At Jewish Man Praising Israel's National Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Rofl giving a free car to people is leftist? Wow.

    I'm sure if one ignores the fact that Hitler thought that German born Jews weren't German and instead of getting a car they should get the gas chamber. Yeah I guess one could consider Hitler middle of the road. Right. It seems that regimes with leftist tend to go towards 'the entire' population and not selective just look at Cuba. Everybody get free ****. But being black or Jewish, poor or fat doesn't disqualify you from it. For you to claim that giving White-blue eyed Germans cars makes Nazism something that is up for discussion as far as the lean of the ideology goes is pretty dishonest. The people who today claim to be the new neo-nazis place themselves SQUARELY on the right. So how could Nazism not be far right?
    Ok, you have to understand that America has f***** up the political lexicon from the past. Hitler is not "middle of road" in the sense of moderate or independent, nor is Nazism or facism. What I'm saying is that many Ivy League educated historians and political scientists cannot classify Nazism or facism as left or right because it has properties of both. Nazi Germany had a government run, centrally-managed economy that Marx would be proud of. Your link said that Hitler did not end capitalism, yet that is not necessarily true. Hitler detested the theory of class-struggle and hated Bolsheviks and Communists. You cannot define Nazism as left or right, but it's not "middle of the road" in terms of American politics. Think outside the American paradigm, Nazism/facism is its own separate entity. And, actually, Nazism and facism are separate in and of themselves.

    It doesn't matter who gets free s***, it's the fact the government takes from one, redistributes the wealth, and gives to another. That's a leftist idea, you can't argue that. Just because race is injected, doesn't make it any less of a leftist idea. Plenty of leftists are racists too ya know. Stalin killed almost as many Jews as Hitler did, and Stalin was a leftist Communist radical. Leftists don't usually create paradises of equality and racial harmony, don't kid youself.

    Neo-nazis are their own separate entity. Lumping them in with the political right is assinine, just because they say they are. Look at their platform and look at the political platforms of the Republican Party or Libertarian Party. Just because they say they are right-wingers or because MSNBC says it doesn't make it true. I can tell you that I can beat Usain Bolt in a race, doesn't make it true. Again, I reiterate to you:

    Communism/socialism/Marxism = Far left

    Anarchy = Far right

    Nazism / facism = Somewhere in between, but off the chart

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