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    Re: Bluedog: Start Over on Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    From CNN, 5 hours ago.

    1. Congressman Allen Boyd of Florida says flatly he will NOT support Waxman/Rangel

    2. He is expressing broader Bluedog belief, he is barking for more than just himself

    3. Last week, Congressmen Perriello and Kratovil, representative of freshman fulmination, declared decisively that they too could not vote aye

    4. Boyd claims credit for preventing passage before recess, desired so desperately by Pelosi/Obama, thus allowing constituents to have their rowdy say

    5. Boyd and his fellow Dogs deserve such kudos, tho Waxman/Rangel did eventually squeak thru Energy Commerce at the last second

    6. Then the headline maker---Boyd declares his decision that it is best to SCRAP EVERYTHING so far done and START ALL OVER

    7. Furthermore, the congressman says, this isn't just him talking, but HOUSE LEADERSHIP as well is considering starting FROM SCRATCH

    8. Perhaps we should look at health care piecemeal, Boyd says, instead of the universal approach so far disastrously undertaken

    9. The inclusion of ILLEGALS has finally worked its way to the front of the debate

    10. Apparently the question was raised time and again

    11. Boyd firmly declared that Waxman/Rangel excludes coverage of non citizens, and he may be right about the legalese in the legislation

    12. But when the Heller Amendment was killed in Rangel's Ways and Means on July 17, the ENFORCEMENT CLAUSE (e-verify) was effectively STRIPPED

    13. Ms Pelosi is apparently not very popular in northern Florida, and Mr Boyd, despite repeated epithets directed against the speakeress, refused to defend her

    14. The congressman was pressed repeatedly to promise to abide by whatever health care pills he legislates other Americans swallow

    15. His rather incoherent response was rudely received

    16. He also took a lot of heat for not reading the bill

    17. Waxman/Rangel has no chance in the Senate, it just does not have the votes, not even close

    18. It should be dropped in the house, it's an exercise in futility, it can only hurt the party

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    Re: Bluedog: Start Over on Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Obama's batting average is sitting at about .110. About time to send him to double-A ball, ya think?
    Pea wee league.

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    Re: Bluedog: Start Over on Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Pass it! Pass it as is. The folks that turned the tide for Obama are too young to remember Carter. That's why they were tricked into voting for PBO. The country needs to get a real good taste of what Liberalism will do to this country.
    I don't need to shoot myself in the head to know that gun shots to the head are fatal... if this health care POS ever passes we will be stuck with it forever, so no, kill it now and kill it dead. This country has seen enough of what Liberalizum will do, only the brain dead haven't gotten it yet.

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    Re: Bluedog: Start Over on Health Care

    thanks

    another thing is emerging clear

    after watching msnbc's ed, whatever his last name is, and little chrissy matthews the histrionic HA! artist, etc...

    they are really in conniptions over this demise of the public option, understandably

    some quotes from ED, questioning that linda douglass, the blond lady, former tv news reporter, who put out the hit piece against drudge a couple weeks back:

    he cites an nbc poll---55% of americans BELIEVE illegals will get coverage, 55% BELIEVE abortion will be generally paid for...

    how can americans believe all these LIES, ed frets, WHERE's the white house, why isn't it hitting back?

    why is it so INEFFECTIVE in getting the word out?

    you know, i'm on your side, he says, but the president has just lost total control of this thing

    she goes blah blah about recess and august and polls are snapshots

    but, ed said (FOUR TIMES!)---mr conrad in the senate says HE HASN'T GOT THE VOTES, how's the house sposed to feel, they've put out so much for this president, yet they HAVEN'T GOT THE VOTES!

    60 libs signed a letter to pelosi today saying they won't vote for any bill without a public option, the party is in complete disarray, where are the ANSWERS from the white house?

    we're united, says douglass

    ed interrupts---we're NOT! (whiny plaint in his voice), we're NOT united!

    and it's not the "righties," he says, it's the democrats that are causing this

    ???!!!

    thanks for listening to my long introduction

    the point---it is quite clear from these and other observations that if the white house wants to accomplish ANYTHING in the way of health care reform, it absolutely must NOW focus on ONE message, it must be restricted, it can't be the far reaching, universal, almost meaningless poetry crap he's been on...

    he's got to REEL it back and SELL it, ONE PLAN, as hard as he can

    rally his party, he's got to get the left to understand it's not going to get it's way

    the sooner the better, if he delays he's lost

    but instead, TODAY, he's got ms sebelius out there saying she didn't say what she said, and it's nothing new, it's what she's been saying all along

    it is and it isn't...

    it's a public option but that's only a sliver...

    we coulda and shoulda...

    we're not changing anything but the "whistles" have been signalled for weeks...

    gibbs is ALL OVER THE PLACE

    the PARTY is ALL OVER THE PLACE

    this white house just DOES NOT UNDERSTAND POLITICS

    it's how he got HERE in the first place, his own obtuseness

    and he's so TONE DEAF he doesn't know WHERE to go next

    literally, he's DOOMED because of his CHARACTER

    he can't change THAT

    msnbc is PISSED---all you need to know

    and the reaction from the white house---just more of the same

    cliff

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