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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    You've yet NOT to deny anything I've Posted,,,while claiming everything is just a "misunderstanding". As you're doing now. I agree, this engagement has been of low-value. My "Position" hasn't changed, I still think the Govt. and Unions have NO Business in Private Enterprise. You do.

    Read this: Union Scandals - Google Search
    So now you are just going to summarize our dialogue and forget about defending anything you say. Well with my "ramblings", I think I'm clarifying the difference between our positions. If preventing 3-year old children from eating lead paint chips requires some government regulation, you would prefer that the 3 year-old child eats lead paint chips. I wouldn't prefer this. Its just a 3 year-old realist and its easy government regulation. But I guess you have to defend your position of "NO" (and that's with a capital O).

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimboJ View Post
    Yeah I guess thatís right. In your ideal world, the police let private enterprise take care of their own security. Courts donít enforce contracts because the will of the people is that government has NO business in private enterprise. Monopolies certainly arenít regulated and are free to cause as many market inefficiencies as they desire. Hell, lead paint is still allowed and its vendors arenít even compelled to let consumers know about the paintís content. No need for an official currency to have a place in private enterprise. I guess businesses can create their own bartering mechanisms. Perhaps they can trade in gold or just pure goods. At least government wonít be able to print its way out of debt!!! This is quite a compelling vision of a society that youíre advocating. I mean I wouldnít want to live in it, but then again, I foolishly think government can play a useful role in private enterprise.

    On the bright side, I guess pirates could make a comeback, since they would be a private enterprise and the government would have no business telling them what they can and cannot do. This would probably add a lot of adventure to New Orleans and Miami. Plus militias could become professional private security forces with absolutely no regulation. Tons of fun to be had in a never-never land comprised of fearful armed adults. On second thought maybe I am game.
    FYI, lead paint was never the primary culprit in the lead content in our children's bodies. It was lead additive to gasoline, but there was plenty of industry denial on that until it was proven. I forget the guy's name, but one scientist was the lone truth teller on the lead issue, and he was finally vindicated. That is why we have unleaded gasoline today.
    Government, initially, was NOT doing the right thing about it. So even tho the government SHOULD be protecting us from unscrupulous industry practices, they will often choose the ignorant or dishonest path until someone comes along and forces the issue.
    If private enterprise could be trusted to find ways to make a profit without doing so at the expense of the public's health, I would be more libertarian in my thinking. But greed is the predominant problem here. The history of business is rife with stories of a few already rich men making even more money with absolutely no concern for the collateral damage they cause.
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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    I've been in a union a few times and found it didn't meet my needs. I worked for a organization that started a union, and didn't feel like supporting it, but the peer pressure was intense.

    Still I politically support unions on principle. Workers have rights I'm just not sure that unions protect those rights in truth.

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I have never worked as a union employee, but have worked very closely with them. On a few occasions, I have encouraged/educated union workers as to how badly they are being ripped off. First, they get less pay than comparable non-union workers, and then they get to pay union dues.
    Two of them "crossed over" to the other side....
    As soon as the non-union job came open, they bid it, and got it.
    Really competent workers usually don't need a union.

    But having said that, there are times when management can be so very stupid that they are practically begging for a union to be formed...
    That's a major point with me U/B...Mind if I borrow it?

    Really competent workers usually don't need a union.

    Like I've said before, There's a few Union Personel I've run across that were competent in their job, but they were the Exception. NOT the Rule.

    Take care.

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimboJ View Post
    So now you are just going to summarize our dialogue and forget about defending anything you say. Well with my "ramblings", I think I'm clarifying the difference between our positions. If preventing 3-year old children from eating lead paint chips requires some government regulation, you would prefer that the 3 year-old child eats lead paint chips. I wouldn't prefer this. Its just a 3 year-old realist and its easy government regulation. But I guess you have to defend your position of "NO" (and that's with a capital O).
    And you,,,as the Liberal Unionist. You wouldn't be able to take on the responsibility of telling your own Child to "Stop eating Lead Paint Chips". You NEED a Govt. Regulator to tell you what to do, set some Guide Lines for you, and wipe your lower Posterior for you.


    Good Job Jimbo. Oh,,,by the way. Your Union Dues are being raised to cover the costs of dealing with you...

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    And you,,,as the Liberal Unionist. You wouldn't be able to take on the responsibility of telling your own Child to "Stop eating Lead Paint Chips". You NEED a Govt. Regulator to tell you what to do, set some Guide Lines for you, and wipe your lower Posterior for you.


    Good Job Jimbo. Oh,,,by the way. Your Union Dues are being raised to cover the costs of dealing with you...
    Why do you have to label me and make all of these assumptions? Well I guess a liberal unionist is better than union drone. Everything in this post is a personal attack and exageration. Sorry if I pissed you off. Have a nice life.

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    That's a major point with me U/B...Mind if I borrow it?

    Really competent workers usually don't need a union.

    Like I've said before, There's a few Union Personel I've run across that were competent in their job, but they were the Exception. NOT the Rule.

    Take care.
    Feel free to quote me....
    Couple of places I worked while still in the nuclear field I ran into people who were much less than competent, and if there is any field where that should be unacceptable, it is nuclear. Well, there is commercial aviation as well. How would you like to be flying in a plane that was repaired by someone who barely graduated tech school?
    To be fair, the really bad ones got laid off, or promoted to management where they wouldn't be as likely to damage the equipment.
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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimboJ View Post
    Why do you have to label me and make all of these assumptions? Well I guess a liberal unionist is better than union drone. Everything in this post is a personal attack and exageration. Sorry if I pissed you off. Have a nice life.
    "If the Shoe fits, Wear it". If not, stop the rambling on about Paint, Pirates, and Militias. Stick to the Subject.

    No. Im not P.O.'d. Amused mostly.

    Take care.

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Feel free to quote me....
    Couple of places I worked while still in the nuclear field I ran into people who were much less than competent, and if there is any field where that should be unacceptable, it is nuclear. Well, there is commercial aviation as well. How would you like to be flying in a plane that was repaired by someone who barely graduated tech school?
    To be fair, the really bad ones got laid off, or promoted to management where they wouldn't be as likely to damage the equipment.
    Granted. I served in the Navy for the 1st 4 years repairing Nuc/ Bubble Boats. USS Dixon AS37. out of Coronado, San Diego CA.

    We didn't "Lay-Off" the bad Techs. We shipped them to Nam. You'd be surprised how quick the rest "Learned".


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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    Granted. I served in the Navy for the 1st 4 years repairing Nuc/ Bubble Boats. USS Dixon AS37. out of Coronado, San Diego CA.

    We didn't "Lay-Off" the bad Techs. We shipped them to Nam. You'd be surprised how quick the rest "Learned".


    Take care U/B.
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