Page 15 of 18 FirstFirst ... 51314151617 ... LastLast
Results 141 to 150 of 180

Thread: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

  1. #141
    Advisor Realist1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    11-27-09 @ 09:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    537

    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've never seen a union shop where the, "that's not my job", mentality wasn't abused.

    One night, I was making a delivery to a valve company. I had a pallet that weighed about 50 pounds, bumped the dock and sat for two hours while a dozen different forklifts went back-n-forth through the loading dock, or sat idle doing nothing. I'd already checked in with S&R, signed in, delivery was inspected; just waiting for a forklift to take it off my trailer. I finally said the hell with it, grabbed one end and drug it onto the loading dock and OMG! the slobberin' and knashing of the teeth by those unions hands.

    The biggest deadbeats I ever seen on a job site have been union hands.
    Yep,,,the same thing happens to me. I'll step aboard a DDG, look around for the gear I'm supposed to install, and see it still on the Pier. 2 days AFTER Delivery. I go down to the L.C.U. (Local Control Unit) and unpack it myself. All the while with a dead beat "Dock Worker" yelling that I'm "NOT ALLOWED" to touch it.

    I give him specific instructions on where he can put his "Rules",,,sideways.
    And complete MY JOB.

    Take care.
    Last edited by Realist1; 08-17-09 at 07:17 AM.

  2. #142
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Last Seen
    09-18-09 @ 04:41 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    105

    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    Yep,,,the same thing happens to me. I'll step aboard a DDG, look around for the gear I'm supposed to install, and see it still on the Pier. 2 days AFTER Delivery. I go down to the L.C.U. (Local Control Unit) and unpack it myself. All the while with a dead beat "Dock Worker" yelling that I'm "NOT ALLOWED" to touch it.

    I give him specific instructions on where he can put his "Rules",,,sideways.
    And complete MY JOB.

    Take care.
    Sorry Realist but on this topic you have shown yourself willing to maintain notions that are demonstratively false. I think you have lost a lot of credibility on this thread as a result.

  3. #143
    Sage
    UtahBill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    12-03-17 @ 01:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    17,687

    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimboJ View Post
    Sorry Realist but on this topic you have shown yourself willing to maintain notions that are demonstratively false. I think you have lost a lot of credibility on this thread as a result.

    I have seen a similar attitude among some non-union workers, to be honest about it.
    Several guys in the last place I worked had bad attitudes. They should have been fired for their lack of effort, but were protected by management who didn't want it known that they were too lazy to do what was needed to fire the guys. But, management rotates, and new management did finally make the guys do their jobs. It was years, tho, not just months, before something was done.
    Oracle of Utah
    Truth rings hollow in empty heads.

  4. #144
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:10 AM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,342
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've never seen a union shop where the, "that's not my job", mentality wasn't abused.

    One night, I was making a delivery to a valve company. I had a pallet that weighed about 50 pounds, bumped the dock and sat for two hours while a dozen different forklifts went back-n-forth through the loading dock, or sat idle doing nothing. I'd already checked in with S&R, signed in, delivery was inspected; just waiting for a forklift to take it off my trailer. I finally said the hell with it, grabbed one end and drug it onto the loading dock and OMG! the slobberin' and knashing of the teeth by those unions hands.

    The biggest deadbeats I ever seen on a job site have been union hands.
    And you have proven time and again to be a hyper-partisan demagogue who will see what he wants to see. There are good unions shops out there. It's not the institution, it's certain members of the institution.

    To put it another way, I have worked at a couple places that treated employees like crap. This does not mean every place is like that, nor does that mean that every place should have unions to deal with places like this.

  5. #145
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Jefferson State
    Last Seen
    11-25-12 @ 12:55 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    3,545

    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And you have proven time and again to be a hyper-partisan demagogue who will see what he wants to see. There are good unions shops out there. It's not the institution, it's certain members of the institution.

    To put it another way, I have worked at a couple places that treated employees like crap. This does not mean every place is like that, nor does that mean that every place should have unions to deal with places like this.
    Unions encourage employers to follow labor laws.

  6. #146
    Sage
    UtahBill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    12-03-17 @ 01:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    17,687

    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Unions encourage employers to follow labor laws.
    History indicates that unions and organized crime were once hand in glove companions, and may still be to some extent.
    Too much power and money, and too little sense of responsibility makes a bad combination.
    Oracle of Utah
    Truth rings hollow in empty heads.

  7. #147
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Jefferson State
    Last Seen
    11-25-12 @ 12:55 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    3,545

    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    History indicates that unions and organized crime were once hand in glove companions, and may still be to some extent.
    Too much power and money, and too little sense of responsibility makes a bad combination.

    Yes, but where would we be without labor laws and unions? Working at Walmart where the employer values profits over workers.
    Last edited by windovervocalcords; 08-17-09 at 12:48 PM.

  8. #148
    Guru
    BWG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    South Coast
    Last Seen
    12-04-17 @ 11:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,203

    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill
    I have seen a similar attitude among some non-union workers, to be honest about it.
    That's why it's futile to argue 'I saw so-and-so do this or that'.

    You generally don't know why a person is doing what they are doing on just a general observance. Eyewitnesses usually make very unreliable witnesses.

    Bill, on your story about security going union. We had just the opposite happen at the facility I retired from. Security went from union to salaried. The company promised them the world if only they would become enlightened and for a while they did treat them like humans...LOL j/k. Afterward they began to add more responsibility/job requirements without an increase in compensation. Then they begin to compensate their overtime like supervision i.e. you had to work 48 hours before you started to get paid and then only at straight time. They lost their seniority and the suck-ups got the better jobs and work hours. The ones that were there before the switch regretted their decision, the guys that were hired afterward, well they just didn't know any better.

    Just saying, things look different, depending on which side of the ball you're on.

    (just for the record I've been on both and see the pros and cons on both sides)
    “We just simply don’t know how to govern” - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

  9. #149
    Sage
    UtahBill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    12-03-17 @ 01:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    17,687

    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Yes, but where would we be without labor laws and unions? Working at Walmart where the employer values profits over workers.
    No doubt, without unions we would still be a nation of serfs working for the super greedy robber barons, but the pendulum swings both ways.
    Corruption is rampant in the corporate world and the unions, but right now it seems the corporate world is far worse than unions ever were. This is odd to me, considering that we like to call ourselves a christian nation.
    As for valuing workers, that is a corporate culture problem, and WalMart is hardly the only company to throw rocks at. One thing I will give credit to WalMart for, they hire people that other companies wont' even talk to....
    Last job I held was as bad as I want to ever see again...image was everything to our manager, and you only had to look good to be successful. Actual productivity was secondary. So we had a lot of fluff and only a bit of substance. Eventually, that corrects itself. That manager was eased out into early retirement. But last I heard, the new guy is only a bit better at equitable compensation for services rendered...
    My father was pro-union as a machinist, but when he got to be shop steward, he got his eyes opened a bit. After a stint of that, he never spoke pro about unions again. I was never union, but can see the value of a good one. Problem is, nobody gets much recognition for the many good things they do, but they get a lof of blame for the slightest bad they do....
    That is human nature.
    Oracle of Utah
    Truth rings hollow in empty heads.

  10. #150
    Advisor Realist1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    11-27-09 @ 09:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    537

    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimboJ View Post
    Sorry Realist but on this topic you have shown yourself willing to maintain notions that are demonstratively false. I think you have lost a lot of credibility on this thread as a result.
    I'm sure it's just a "misunderstanding", on your part.

Page 15 of 18 FirstFirst ... 51314151617 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •