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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimboJ View Post
    Trust me I have absolutely no desire to blow smoke anywhere near your lower posterior. You have consistently misrepresented card check and EFCA throughout this post. Drawing ridiculous comparisons, which are really just pasted from some misguided articles and blogs. All I am doing is asking for a bit of honesty and justification. Instead, I get some taunts. I guess we can just start calling each other names, if you are tried of defending any position.

    I've shown you the facts, you deny them. As any loyal Union drone would do. You're only doing what I'd expect from a Union Worker. "Nothing More, or Less".

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    All I am telling you is what is in the fine print!
    And I'm telling you that the pervasive mentality of knowingly breaking labor laws and then fabricating legal reasons for termination is a damn good reason to have unions. This type if trickery is also a fantastic reason that workers would want to have laws like EFCA to protect their bargaining rights. But yeah, I recognize there are a lot of ways to break the current labor laws without getting caught. As I said before, complete enforcement of labor law is nearly impossible. Thanks for providing the example.

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post

    I've shown you the facts, you deny them. As any loyal Union drone would do. You're only doing what I'd expect from a Union Worker. "Nothing More, or Less".
    Yes call me names. Which "facts" exactly have I denied?

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    So, you're telling me that if an Employee turns into a worthless, useless, typical Union Drone,,,I can't get rid of it.

    Oh yeah,,,That'll make "Good Business Sense.".
    I don't understand how you can interpret this to be my argument. Why would I ever call a unionized worker a "typical Union Drone"? Remember I am the one challenging your anti-union position. So I guess no I'm not telling you this.

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    A little advice when arguing with some hardcore conservatives, or any fanatic for that matter.

    You will NEVER get them to admit they were wrong even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

    You will NEVER get them to even see your side of argument much less agree with it.

    They do not care about the substance of an argument. As long as they see themselves as doing battle with infidels they are happy.

    After a while you just have to give up in disgust, they see this as a victory. For most people a discussion is a search for understanding, but for some people it is just a way to enjoy treating others like crap without risking a punch in the nose.
    Right,,,you deny the Right of a Free Labor Market, and think of anyone that opposes your "Union" mentality, as beneath you.

    You're "Hive" Material for sure.

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimboJ View Post
    Yes call me names. Which "facts" exactly have I denied?
    You are pro Union,,,correct? And part of a Collective. If that offends you, there's still hope.

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post

    I've shown you the facts, you deny them. As any loyal Union drone would do. You're only doing what I'd expect from a Union Worker. "Nothing More, or Less".
    I'm waiting for more. Name some particular facts that I have denied. I hate to say it but it seems like you have given up on argument. Instead you will call me names. Oh and you will intentionally misinterpret my argument and argue with your misinterpretations. That's not as engaging as I had hoped for, but it is getting late.

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    You are pro Union,,,correct? And part of a Collective. If that offends you, there's still hope.
    Clever. I guess "pro union" is a little vague for me but sure call me pro union and it does not offend me in the least. I don't know what you mean by collective. By names, I mean Union drone. But of course you knew this.

    Oh, and I am still waiting for you to name a particular fact that I have denied.

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    Right,,,you deny the Right of a Free Labor Market, and think of anyone that opposes your "Union" mentality, as beneath you.

    You're "Hive" Material for sure.
    What?? I was commenting on the futility of arguing with people who believe their opinions to be the ultimate unalterable truth of reality and see an opposing view as an assault on their character and something to be fought till the last breath without budging an inch. You know a fanatic, sorry if you took it personally I was speaking generally.

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    Re: How to Kill a Union,,,in 3 Easy Steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimboJ View Post
    Yes call me names. Which "facts" exactly have I denied?
    Originally Posted by JimboJ
    Again card check does not take away the private voting from union members. Card check would allow non-members the chance to join a union through a majority signing cards. However, leadership elections as well as any other internal decision in unions is determined by the union's constitution. Card check would not change how these decisions are made.

    Really?

    EFCA supporters on Capitol Hill are now contemplating the union bosses’ plan to replace card check with a measure that would enable union elections to be held within five or 10 days of filing a petition with the National Labor Relations Board.


    This would be about as fair as the Iranian presidential election. Quicker elections give union bosses the opportunity to lobby workers — in many cases, without the knowledge of the employer or the majority of employees — while disallowing the small business the opportunity to communicate with its own employees about unionization.


    Quick elections are simply another way for union bosses to force unionization on businesses and gain dues from workers with little regard for how increased costs and burdens will affect an employer’s ability to stay in business.


    Good Night.
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