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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The insurance companies have already stated that they will insure people with pre-existing conditions as long as we are all required to have insurance. That is the only way they can afford to insure the already sick.
    The way I see it, we are required to have car insurance and if the govt can mandate car insurance to drive, they should be able to mandate health insurance.
    If I don't want a car, I don't have to have insurance.

    I think you are wrong on this, so very wrong.

    There are many many ways to reform the insurance system without this debacle, and the worst part is, and many of you are being highly dishonest here, This will destroy the insurance system, we'll be single payer in 10 years.

    Obama stated that's his goal, it's been a goal for 50 years, REGAN gave a speech in '61 on the dangers of this.

    Don't lie and say you think this is over the top partisanship, it's not. This is about power, power to tell you , me and everyone else how to live cause we're too stupid to do it right without "Washington's benevolence"


    The dem's pass this, and you'll see a massacre at the polls in 2010.
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    In many cases, I can agree with that. I know quite a few people who have filed bankruptcy, and all but one of them didn't have health insurance, by choice. One guy quit a job with benefits for him and his family to take one without benefits, one where he didn't have to work the evening shift so much.
    And doesn't that tell you that the system we have is bankrupt and anti-liberty? Want to start your own business? Think twice. Change jobs? Not if you have a P.E.condition. Buy catastrophic insurance? The policies are written in such a way that the 50% co-pays will likely send you into bankruptcy, anyhow, should a medical condition occur. ($500. a month for a $7500. deductible, per person, and 50% co-pay, after that, for family insurance in my state) That would cover a lot of cable T.V.

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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    If I don't want a car, I don't have to have insurance.

    I think you are wrong on this, so very wrong.

    There are many many ways to reform the insurance system without this debacle, and the worst part is, and many of you are being highly dishonest here, This will destroy the insurance system, we'll be single payer in 10 years.

    Obama stated that's his goal, it's been a goal for 50 years, REGAN gave a speech in '61 on the dangers of this.

    Don't lie and say you think this is over the top partisanship, it's not. This is about power, power to tell you , me and everyone else how to live cause we're too stupid to do it right without "Washington's benevolence"
    So, I guess you just prefer to spend double that of every other western nation so that a large nanny corporation can tell you how to live ? And you cannot even vote them out of office when they decide to drop your insurance.

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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    And doesn't that tell you that the system we have is bankrupt and anti-liberty? Want to start your own business? Think twice. Change jobs? Not if you have a P.E.condition. Buy catastrophic insurance? The policies are written in such a way that the 50% co-pays will likely send you into bankruptcy, anyhow, should a medical condition occur. ($500. a month for a $7500. deductible, per person, and 50% co-pay, after that, for family insurance in my state) That would cover a lot of cable T.V.
    For 2 years I had a major medical policy thru BCBS, from age 59 to 60, then my military reserve retirement kicked in.
    It was 5K deductible before they started paying for treatment. Annual exams and lab tests were almost free, a small copay IIRC.
    It was cheap, so cheap that I got mad at myself for staying on Cobra for the 9 months that I did. BTW, I have a family history of depression and colon cancer...and they knew all of that.
    Granted, that was a few years ago, and only covered me, as my wife's school district covered her. To add me would have been a lot more. Same school district, today, our son is insured, but to add his family is about $1,000 per month. They went to a private insurance company for the wife and kids, it costs about $350 per month, $1500 per person deductible, $5000 per family.
    THEN, it covers 100% of everything. Good thing they have the 100% plan, the 80/20 plan would have bankrupted them after their oldest child got the inoperable brain tumor. Chemo isn't cheap, nor is brain surgery for the shunts and the new tumor that developed, but was operable.
    Phoenix Children's Hospital will provide care without the ability to pay, but that is a children's hospital, supported by a LOT of rich donors.
    Adults who get free care, because they don't have insurance, are also covered by donors, you and me, the taxpayer.
    For most of us, and I love repeating this, major medical insurance is cheap, it is beer/wine/cigarette/etc. money. Most of us who don't have insurance CAN afford it, but we just have to give up some luxuries..
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    So, I guess you just prefer to spend double that of every other western nation so that a large nanny corporation can tell you how to live ? And you cannot even vote them out of office when they decide to drop your insurance.
    Yeah, I prefer a healthcare system that works. Thanks.


    We can do a lot to pricing and costs without Government Run anything, but if that were the gaol, you wouldn't be for this.

    It's so dishonest to talk about how much "more America spends" when all the reforms being pushed do Zilch to control costs and everything to increase Government.
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yeah, I prefer a healthcare system that works. Thanks.


    We can do a lot to pricing and costs without Government Run anything, but if that were the gaol, you wouldn't be for this.

    It's so dishonest to talk about how much "more America spends" when all the reforms being pushed do Zilch to control costs and everything to increase Government.
    Zilch, and Everything, are exaggerations...
    I haven't seen one iota of evidence concerning the govt wanting to control our lives for evil or draconian purposes.
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    If I don't want a car, I don't have to have insurance.

    I think you are wrong on this, so very wrong.

    There are many many ways to reform the insurance system without this debacle, and the worst part is, and many of you are being highly dishonest here, This will destroy the insurance system, we'll be single payer in 10 years.

    Obama stated that's his goal, it's been a goal for 50 years, REGAN gave a speech in '61 on the dangers of this.

    Don't lie and say you think this is over the top partisanship, it's not. This is about power, power to tell you , me and everyone else how to live cause we're too stupid to do it right without "Washington's benevolence"


    The dem's pass this, and you'll see a massacre at the polls in 2010.
    The insurance industry won't be destroyed, they are more powerful than congress, have been for decades. Likewise the banking industry...
    The govt can't run very well without an economic engine to provide the resources. They know that, which is why they got all that money to help them survive.
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Zilch, and Everything, are exaggerations...
    I haven't seen one iota of evidence concerning the govt wanting to control our lives for evil or draconian purposes.
    You're on Government Healthcare.

    Now they decide that since they are paying for your healthcare... well, to control costs you need to follow some "Lifestyle guidelines" or you won't get any treatment...

    Don't think that won't happen... it all ready is in UHC Countries.
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You're on Government Healthcare.

    Now they decide that since they are paying for your healthcare... well, to control costs you need to follow some "Lifestyle guidelines" or you won't get any treatment...

    Don't think that won't happen... it all ready is in UHC Countries.
    They won't be paying, we will be writing checks one way or another.
    And if it means making smokers, alcoholics, druggies pay more, I am for that.
    Cigarettes need to be $20 a pack, not carton. Alcohol drinks should be taxed based on content, or proof. 80 proof whiskey is 40% alcohol, so it should be taxed at 40 percent, simple as that. And idiot drivers who go too fast for conditions should also be taxed more than safe drivers. On top of that, the doctors can classify lardbutt fatties as needing to pay more for insurance.

    We are ALL already paying for illnesses and injuries related to the irresponsible behaviour of ourselves, which is fair, but paying for others? No, I don't want to pay for others, not even my idiot brother who STILL smokes, drinks, and gambles his money away, and then wants me to lend him money.
    None of us should have to pay for the stupid habits of others...
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    They won't be paying, we will be writing checks one way or another.
    And if it means making smokers, alcoholics, druggies pay more, I am for that.
    Cigarettes need to be $20 a pack, not carton. Alcohol drinks should be taxed based on content, or proof. 80 proof whiskey is 40% alcohol, so it should be taxed at 40 percent, simple as that. And idiot drivers who go too fast for conditions should also be taxed more than safe drivers. On top of that, the doctors can classify lardbutt fatties as needing to pay more for insurance.

    We are ALL already paying for illnesses and injuries related to the irresponsible behaviour of ourselves, which is fair, but paying for others? No, I don't want to pay for others, not even my idiot brother who STILL smokes, drinks, and gambles his money away, and then wants me to lend him money.
    None of us should have to pay for the stupid habits of others...

    Freedom, Liberty, Personal Choice, Pursuit of Happiness...

    All come second to what people like YOU think of how OTHERS should live their lives. If they try to do it other then the "Right way" you will punish them.


    This is known as soft Tyranny. All American's are equal, some are just ore equal, and some less equal... how equal are you comrade?
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