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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes. I've been perfectly clear about why I oppose it.

    It violates the Constitution.

    It won't work.

    It will cost so much the word "fortune" is meaningless.

    It will affect my life and my family negatively.

    It won't work.

    And it violated the Constitution.

    Did I mention the fact that the people promoting don't have a shred of credibility?

    Would you buy a used Clunker from a Congressman?
    Your argument amounts to this: "I got my life boat the rest of you can drown".

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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Your argument amounts to this: "I got my life boat the rest of you can drown".
    Its not my responsibility to make sure you have a life jacket.
    Want to survive? Learn to swim.

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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its not my responsibility to make sure you have a life jacket.
    Want to survive? Learn to swim.
    You pay for all of your H.Care out of pocket, right?

    Unless, you pay out of pocket for your health care, you are depending on others to pay the tab for your care if you become seriously ill. That is how insurance works. Want to opt out of the 'burden' of paying for those less fortunate? Drop your insurance.

    As long as you pay taxes you are providing a life boat for teachers, policeman, fireman, town managers, elected officials, etc etc etc.. If you work for a corporation then your nanny employer is probably providing your life boat and receiving a tax benefit I must help pay for. If you are a fat b*st*rd, like most Americans, my insurance costs definitely reflect your bad habits.

    The creepy spectacle of school teachers and the elderly shouting hysterically that gov't had better not touch THEIR H.C.- Pathetic. People are certainly protective of their piece of gov't funded welfare.

    As for me, I just want the corrupt insurance industry to offer a plan that covers emergencies only. I will receive non emergency care outside of this country. Of course, no such policy exists because the industries prefer to hold Americans hostage to U.S. H.C. industry mafia.

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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    You pay for all of your H.Care out of pocket, right?

    Unless, you pay out of pocket for your health care, you are depending on others to pay the tab for your care if you become seriously ill. That is how insurance works.
    They're providing a service for which you freely contracted, and an obligation which they freely accepted. Your implication is that you'd be living off the backs of the insurance companies, as in, they're giving you something for nothing. That's not how it works.
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I see nothing wrong with people regardless of how informed or misinformed from not wanting something. I feel the pro-health care groups would have a much better argument if they were not trying to impose it onto everyone. HR 3200 does just that. They remove the choice from all those not wanting any part of it.

    Personally I dont care if the bill was superb I would not want it. Why? Because I do not feel it is the governments job to take care of the people and its over stepping its self. I feel its the governments job to insure all have equal opportunity and its up to us to do with that what we will. Now a reform bill that leaves the private sector to make its own choices I would be fine with.
    and those with pre-exisiting illnesses will continue to be refused coverage by insurance companies....leaving the taxpayer to pay their bills, or we just let them die....
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its not my responsibility to make sure you have a life jacket.
    Want to survive? Learn to swim.
    a very christian attitude, to be sure....
    I think the right is afraid that healthcare reform will work, and the left will get all the credit, and then the right has one more hurdle to overcome in getting back into power....
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    They're providing a service for which you freely contracted, and an obligation which they freely accepted. Your implication is that you'd be living off the backs of the insurance companies, as in, they're giving you something for nothing. That's not how it works.
    No. I am saying that all insurance operates on the basis of shared, dispersed risk. In every system, other than self-pay, healthy people eventually subsidize unhealthy people. Furthermore, our system shifts the cost of care all over the place in a completely haphazard fashion.

    Someone like "Goobieman" who, god forbid, does not want to be found paying for anyone else's care, must be a self-pay consumer, right?

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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    a very christian attitude, to be sure....
    I think the right is afraid that healthcare reform will work, and the left will get all the credit, and then the right has one more hurdle to overcome in getting back into power....
    Why else would they be against a provision in this proposal that they themselves have supported in the very recent past?

    Why else be against a proposal to have another choice as to who will be the carrier of your health insurance?

    Why else create a strawman of a government run health care system (Canada...England), when that is not being proposed?
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    No. I am saying that all insurance operates on the basis of shared, dispersed risk. In every system, other than self-pay, healthy people eventually subsidize unhealthy people. Furthermore, our system shifts the cost of care all over the place in a completely haphazard fashion.

    Someone like "Goobieman" who, god forbid, does not want to be found paying for anyone else's care, must be a self-pay consumer, right?
    I'm pretty sure that the difference for him is that he has complete choice over the matter.
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Why else would they be against a provision in this proposal that they themselves have supported in the very recent past?

    Why else be against a proposal to have another choice as to who will be the carrier of your health insurance?

    Why else create a strawman of a government run health care system (Canada...England), when that is not being proposed?
    Good grief.



    How many times are people going to say that the only reason anyone could possibly be opposed to this bill is because they're stupid or evil?

    Really. Enough. It's ridiculous, unthinking, and frankly, disgusting.
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