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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Freedom, Liberty, Personal Choice, Pursuit of Happiness...

    All come second to what people like YOU think of how OTHERS should live their lives. If they try to do it other then the "Right way" you will punish them.


    This is known as soft Tyranny. All American's are equal, some are just ore equal, and some less equal... how equal are you comrade?
    You working part time as a comedian?
    People who choose to live a life that puts them at risk, or makes them sick, will still have every right to do so, but they shouldn't expect the rest of us to pay their medical bills when the smoking, excessive drinking, doping, overeating, etc. catches up to them.
    They choose to pay higher insurance rates when they choose to indulge in unhealthy behavior.
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Well, kind of not too difficult to draw that conclusion considering the intellectual emptiness of most of the arguments.
    Empty according to YOU -- and besides, you focus on the vapid ones while ignoring the substantive ones.
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    For 2 years I had a major medical policy thru BCBS, from age 59 to 60, then my military reserve retirement kicked in.
    It was 5K deductible before they started paying for treatment. Annual exams and lab tests were almost free, a small copay IIRC.
    It was cheap, so cheap that I got mad at myself for staying on Cobra for the 9 months that I did. BTW, I have a family history of depression and colon cancer...and they knew all of that.
    Granted, that was a few years ago, and only covered me, as my wife's school district covered her. To add me would have been a lot more. Same school district, today, our son is insured, but to add his family is about $1,000 per month. They went to a private insurance company for the wife and kids, it costs about $350 per month, $1500 per person deductible, $5000 per family.
    THEN, it covers 100% of everything. Good thing they have the 100% plan, the 80/20 plan would have bankrupted them after their oldest child got the inoperable brain tumor. Chemo isn't cheap, nor is brain surgery for the shunts and the new tumor that developed, but was operable.
    Phoenix Children's Hospital will provide care without the ability to pay, but that is a children's hospital, supported by a LOT of rich donors.
    Adults who get free care, because they don't have insurance, are also covered by donors, you and me, the taxpayer.
    For most of us, and I love repeating this, major medical insurance is cheap, it is beer/wine/cigarette/etc. money. Most of us who don't have insurance CAN afford it, but we just have to give up some luxuries..
    Well I cannot account for the huge disparity in costs from state to state but I can tell you that in Maine, adult couples in your age bracket will pay $25,000-$35,000 a year for a low deductible policy. My understanding is that Maine is one of the few states which does not allow 'cherry picking'. Therefore the cost of insurance on the individual market is through the roof. I am quite sure that Arizona does not have the 'guarantee issue' law so I am surprised you were able to get health insurance at all. So sorry about your grandchild! My heart goes out to you and your family.

    My high deductible policy is the $500. a month I just mentioned and covers squat, as I said. I can afford the premium. What I cannot afford is the premium plus all the health care expenses that my insurance does not cover. My son's asthma med is $175. a month. In a couple of weeks, I will go to Canada to buy it for $30. The insurance co. refused to pay for my husband's cancer care so we must make payments to the hospital, as well. What an absurd situation.

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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Empty according to YOU -- and besides, you focus on the vapid ones while ignoring the substantive ones.
    The substantive ones are what I would consider legitimate, honest disagreements that deserve debate in committee before being brought to the floor for vote, therefore no need for focus.


    The vapid ones are born of deceit, dishonesty and outright lies that need to be brought to attention for all to see.
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Well I cannot account for the huge disparity in costs from state to state but I can tell you that in Maine, adult couples in your age bracket will pay $25,000-$35,000 a year for a low deductible policy. My understanding is that Maine is one of the few states which does not allow 'cherry picking'. Therefore the cost of insurance on the individual market is through the roof. I am quite sure that Arizona does not have the 'guarantee issue' law so I am surprised you were able to get health insurance at all. So sorry about your grandchild! My heart goes out to you and your family.

    My high deductible policy is the $500. a month I just mentioned and covers squat, as I said. I can afford the premium. What I cannot afford is the premium plus all the health care expenses that my insurance does not cover. My son's asthma med is $175. a month. In a couple of weeks, I will go to Canada to buy it for $30. The insurance co. refused to pay for my husband's cancer care so we must make payments to the hospital, as well. What an absurd situation.
    With your existing conditons, health care reform should be a good thing for you and your family, if we can believe what they are saying....
    High drug costs are, IMO, criminal. If the same drug can be had cheaper by shopping in Canada or Mexico, something is wrong...
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    that's still doesn't answer my question.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    The substantive ones are what I would consider legitimate, honest disagreements

    sam_w (whom I was addressing) seems to think there aren't any.


    that deserve debate in committee before being brought to the floor for vote, therefore no need for focus.
    Why should they not be discussed in the open by the public?


    The vapid ones are born of deceit, dishonesty and outright lies that need to be brought to attention for all to see.
    The problem is when you pretend -- or seek to give the impression -- that they're the only ones which exist.
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    if the people doing the screaming have read the bill, why are they screaming about death panels and medicare? hmm?????
    It's because they hear Rush, Hannity, Coulter, O'Reilly and their Republican elected officials doing the same. Their leaders and public voices get paid off by the HC companies and then they parrot the same drivel in perfect accord. Amazing, isn't it?
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    High drug costs are, IMO, criminal.
    price gouging should be illegal, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    If the same drug can be had cheaper by shopping in Canada or Mexico, something is wrong...
    or they subsidize drugs or something of that nature.
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    Re: What'll We Do About the Town Hall Screamers? Part 2: The More Things Change...:

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    price gouging should be illegal, yes.

    or they subsidize drugs or something of that nature.
    The U.S. gives drug companies lengthy patent protection and then allows them to charge whatever they want to U.S. citizens. Canada, on the other hand, bargains for the favorable pricing.

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