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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All I've seen so far, are insults and smartass comments and a couple of drive bys from the likes of yourself. No one has yet taken the actual language from the bill and interpreted it. All we keep hearing is, "that's not what it means", without any follow-up explanation of what it does mean.
    If you have any evidence such as actually language that defines these death panels or the death panel process why don't you display it for us. If you cannot then it does not exist.
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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

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    For ‘Death Panels’ Before She Was Against Them? Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor



    Crass shameless dishonest and deception. Any surprise with Caribou Barbie? To think there are some that still follow this loser.
    This is why I saw that loser, the Igloo Girl, for what she is right from the first day that John McCain introduced her. I know it is hard to believe but to me she just came across as a liar, a phoney, a shameless opportunist.
    I was rigth then and more and more people are rigth now.
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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    If you have any evidence such as actually language that defines these death panels or the death panel process why don't you display it for us. If you cannot then it does not exist.
    Review my posts and you'll see where I've already done that.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All you did was copy/paste part of the bill saying, "No, that's not what it means". Can you tell us what it does mean? Can you possibly explain why the bill specifically states that an order to sustain life must be issued?
    Here is a neat idea, how about actually reading what is linked to you, you will make yourself look much less stupid doing that. Here is strait from one of the links I just provided you, my own words:

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ok got it.

    (B) The level of treatment indicated under subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment to an indication to limit some or all or specified interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may include indications respecting, among other items—

    This means you can opt for full treatment, or less than full treatment in advance, in consultation with your doctor. You get to choose.

    (i) the intensity of medical intervention if the patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac or pulmonary problems;

    This means you can give a DNR(DO Not Resuscitate) order or similar instruction.

    It's a delineation of choices you can make in a "Living Will". It continues:

    (ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting;

    (iii) the use of antibiotics; and

    (iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.

    I don't see these questions you see in this area. Setting up a Living Will or Care plan is a good thing.
    Now, all I have seen from you so far is hysteria and complaints about things not actually in the bill. Can you actually do as I have done, and show language from the bill allowing for any of your claims, and explain how they work?

    So far 3 people have taken language from the bill and analyed it for you, and you come back with "All I've seen so far, are insults and smartass comments and a couple of drive bys from the likes of yourself. No one has yet taken the actual language from the bill and interpreted it. All we keep hearing is, "that's not what it means", without any follow-up explanation of what it does mean. " Your statement is both inaccurate, and you have done even less than this.

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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Review my posts and you'll see where I've already done that.
    I did, they don't !! EOS !!
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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Here is a neat idea, how about actually reading what is linked to you, you will make yourself look much less stupid doing that. Here is strait from one of the links I just provided you, my own words:



    Now, all I have seen from you so far is hysteria and complaints about things not actually in the bill. Can you actually do as I have done, and show language from the bill allowing for any of your claims, and explain how they work?

    So far 3 people have taken language from the bill and analyed it for you, and you come back with "All I've seen so far, are insults and smartass comments and a couple of drive bys from the likes of yourself. No one has yet taken the actual language from the bill and interpreted it. All we keep hearing is, "that's not what it means", without any follow-up explanation of what it does mean. " Your statement is both inaccurate, and you have done even less than this.
    What, no link? How do we know which of the one thousand pages that came from?

    And, you're full of poo-poo when you say that three people have taken actual language from the bill to prove me wrong. Unless you have a link to prove that they prove me wrong, then, well, you're just wrong.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All you did was copy/paste part of the bill saying, "No, that's not what it means". Can you tell us what it does mean? Can you possibly explain why the bill specifically states that an order to sustain life must be issued?
    Ok, remember where I told you to read the links provided? There is a reason for that. If you had followed the first link I gave you, you would have answered the questions you just asked. Funny how something as simple as reading will keep you from making such a big fool of yourself.

    This is how you argue: make claims, when some one argues you have no proof, you demand proof, then you deny that the person has proved anything, and keep it up till finally people walk away in disgust, and you think you have somehow won the argument.

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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    If you have any evidence such as actually language that defines these death panels or the death panel process why don't you display it for us. If you cannot then it does not exist.
    In fact, I do have actually language from the bill to prove my point.

    Here it is:

    ‘(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include--
    ‘(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual’s family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;
    ‘(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and
    ‘(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker (also known as a health care proxy).
    WHY would there be a need for an, "order regarding life sustaining treatment", if there wasn't an alternative to an, "order regarding life sustaining treatment"? The only other option to life sustaining treatment, is to let the mother****er die. Hello!!!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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