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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I'm not lending any credibility to the notion that Obama's plan will euthanize seniors when they get too expensive however how in the world would that notion be at all similar to advising patients to think about and put in place advance directives?
    A.) There is no provision telling people how to die, only a provsion on paying for someone to talk to a doctor about end of life options, otherwise known as a living will.

    B.) This has been part of Medicare for some time now, they are simply adding this provision to the current bill to insure it is included

    C.) It was a Republican, not President Obama who put this in the current bill

    D.) This also happens to be a provision currently that is well received by Medicare recipients.

    E.) This is a shameless and despicable act by (R)epugnants who are so void of ideas that they can only offer fear mongering. If that is all they can offer the people, then they are a party that needs to die so that a true legitimate party can arise that will offer ideas.

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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    A.) There is no provision telling people how to die, only a provsion on paying for someone to talk to a doctor about end of life options, otherwise known as a living will.

    B.) This has been part of Medicare for some time now, they are simply adding this provision to the current bill to insure it is included

    C.) It was a Republican, not President Obama who put this in the current bill

    D.) This also happens to be a provision currently that is well received by Medicare recipients.

    E.) This is a shameless and despicable act by (R)epugnants who are so void of ideas that they can only offer fear mongering. If that is all they can offer the people, then they are a party that needs to die so that a true legitimate party can arise that will offer ideas.
    I got a C-note for the first person who posts language from the actual bill that proves Palin wrong. You must provide section, paragraph, line and page numbers.

    Anyone got the balls for that one?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    I think we are all missing an important element here, and that is: Consider the source? thinkprogress? are you ****ing serious? The only way faster to ridicule is to quote Fox!
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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I got a C-note for the first person who posts language from the actual bill that proves Palin wrong. You must provide section, paragraph, line and page numbers.

    Anyone got the balls for that one?
    I posted the section of the bill pertaining to end of life consultations in the other thread you started on this issue. Would you like me to PM you with my mailing address so you can send me the money?
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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    That woman is like Dick Cheney...you can tell she's lying because her lips are moving...
    Why don't you give your stale rhetoric a rest?
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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I posted the section of the bill pertaining to end of life consultations in the other thread you started on this issue. Would you like me to PM you with my mailing address so you can send me the money?
    No, you posted a link, in another thread, to the entire bill. Kindly transcribe the info here, for all to see and analyze, with your explanation of how Plain's wrong and we'll see if it's winner-winner, chicken-dinner.

    I'm sure this will be your last post on this thread.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Once again, here you go:

    Here is the section you are referring to:

    (hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:

    ‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.
    ‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.
    ‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
    ‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
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    ‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.
    ‘(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include--
    ‘(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual’s family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;
    ‘(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and
    ‘(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker (also known as a health care proxy).
    ‘(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement for explanations under clause (i) to consultations furnished in a State--
    ‘(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and
    ‘(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in clause (iii).
    ‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that--
    ‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
    ‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;
    ‘(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment; and
    ‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stakeholders includes representatives from emergency medical services, emergency department physicians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association.


    Read, read it aloud if it helps it sink in, no where in that section is there anything remotely described like a government death panel deciding who lives and who dies.

    It is just like I described it earlier, nothing but a provision for physicians, specifically doctors or nurse practitioners to be paid for time they spend discussing medical end of life issues with a patient. It then states that any consultation they are given must fall under the guidelines of the state laws the physician practices in. Thats all it does. In fact, it will only pay for such a consultation with your physician once every 5 years.

    So your Goddess of Ignorance and Annoying Accents that never misses a conceivable opportunity to whore her special needs child out for political gain, is indeed a liar, or just crazy. I guess if she actually believed the government was out to kill her kid that would make her just insane so it is possible that she is insane rather than a willfully ignorant habitual liar.

    Personally, as someone that is from the south and thus has been around plenty of white trash in my life, I think she is just the stereotypical white trash with money and a microphone, but thats just me.
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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    I think we are all missing an important element here, and that is: Consider the source? thinkprogress? are you ****ing serious? The only way faster to ridicule is to quote Fox!
    And think of your response, you did not read the article, or more importantly the links supporting the article. You get an F

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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    Don't worry, Palin would only recommend that kind of counseling for liberals.
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    Re: Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

    But, what about this little part, here?

    ‘(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings;
    Exactly, what legal barriers have to be addressed concerning life sustaining treatment?

    As far as I know, there's not a single law that prevents doctors from saving life. Do you know of one? Of course you don't and therein lies the reason for the language in that part of the bill.

    You lose. Ok...next?!?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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