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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    scarcrow found something while you and I were arguing... we need to read it.
    Not hard to find:

    Constitution of the United States

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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    hey screcrow I just read Section 8 - Powers of Congress and there is nothing there either allowing nor prohitinging referendums. In fcat there is no mention of referendums.

    Do you have a copy you can splash here ?

    BUT LOOK AT THIS "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

    DAMN we gave them the right to impose those punitive taxes !!! lol sorry that is for APTDS nad I am just teasing
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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Gee, that's not what it says.
    I said it doesn't allow a national referendum.

    If you wish to refute that, cite the clause that permits it.

    Refresh your memory of the Tenth Amendment, while you're at it.

    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    The ability to create public referenda is not delegated to the Congress, hence Congress can't do it.

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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    oh I can find it and did biut there is no referndum in that section or article
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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    oh I can find it and did biut there is no referndum in that section or article
    Right.

    That means it's not a power Congress has.

    Did you see the words "steal the nation's health care industry" in Article 1, Section 8?

    No?

    That means Congress doesn't have that power, either.

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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No it's not. Your's is. Your completely misinterpreting the Constituion.
    The constitution basically does 2 things:

    1. It restricts the powers of government. For example, you are not granted the right of freedom of expression by constitution, but rather the government is restricted from restricting your right to freedom of expression.

    2. It protects the individual from a tyranny of the majority. Basically, the constitution weighs your negative rights over your positive rights. You have positive rights such as the right to vote, petition your government and so on. However, they only go so far as to not impede the negative rights of others. Such as their right to privacy. Their property rights and so on.

    A national referendum is essentially a tyranny of the majority.
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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    look guys article iv section 4 says that we can only have a ' Section 4 - Republican government "

    That means that Obama AND THE DEMOCRATS have to go home - Chicago you birthers come on not Niarobe !!!

    OH NO that means that Igloo Girl is now the Veep but Mccain will make a good president !!

    darn this Constitutin thing it does get in the way of political fun !!

    LOL !!!
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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Right.

    That means it's not a power Congress has.

    Did you see the words "steal the nation's health care industry" in Article 1, Section 8?

    No?

    That means Congress doesn't have that power, either.
    no but did you see ' Thou Shalt Not Have a NATIONAL health Care system" ? No, well thats is why we got Medicare HA HA !!!

    YUP we all can play the game and have some fun!!
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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Right.

    That means it's not a power Congress has.

    Did you see the words "steal the nation's health care industry" in Article 1, Section 8?

    No?

    That means Congress doesn't have that power, either.
    BTW I have worked in insurance for over 30 years and switched from property CAUSUALTY to Health Care since 1992 so if the national HC comes about and the private companies do not get the contracts to administrate it I will either go work for the government or go back to property causualty.

    I am now self employed but I live off major insurers since I perform audits for them so I will have to become a government whore to survive and hope I can get a gov contract.

    So from a personal basis I can lose big time. I see the initial stages of this going as a hybrid of government and private sectors. What will happen in 20 years who really knows. Who in 1945 thought that in the late 1960's we would have medicare!! Mybe some but who believed that it would really happen. I recall in the early sixties people tring to argue that Medicare is "unconstitutional". They lost right !!!!

    So it's either be a government whore or a private sector whore. The private sector at least has less written rules but the big fish still eat the small fish and the smller and so on. The government is the shark !!!
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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    BTW I have worked in insurance for over 30 years and switched from property CAUSUALTY to Health Care since 1992 so if the national HC comes about and the private companies do not get the contracts to administrate it I will either go work for the government or go back to property causualty.

    I am now self employed but I live off major insurers since I perform audits for them so I will have to become a government whore to survive and hope I can get a gov contract.

    So from a personal basis I can lose big time. I see the initial stages of this going as a hybrid of government and private sectors. What will happen in 20 years who really knows. Who in 1945 thought that in the late 1960's we would have medicare!! Mybe some but who believed that it would really happen. I recall in the early sixties people tring to argue that Medicare is "unconstitutional". They lost right !!!!

    So it's either be a government whore or a private sector whore. The private sector at least has less written rules but the big fish still eat the small fish and the smller and so on. The government is the shark !!!
    Since you have worked in life and health insurance for years I would be interested what your thoughts are as to what should be done to reform our health care / health insurance system. Maybe if you could start another thread on this and lay out what you think is wrong now and what should be done. I am interested in your opinion on it as you obviously would know a lot about it.
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