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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All of it. I wanna see what legal right the government has to impose anything beyond reasonable income and sales taxes, that aren't voted on in a public election.
    You are aware that the Constitution provides absolutely no mechanism for public referenda, right?

    The people never vote on issues.

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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The fact that the Constition doesn't say Congress can regulate health care is what makes it unconstitutional.

    Let me know when you find the words "regulate health care" in the constitution.

    No, you're wrong, "general welfare" isn't it.
    There are many things that we do and have done since the adoption of the Constitution that were not in the Constitution but just because they were not in the Constitution that does not make them "unconstitutional".

    You want to discuss why health care was not in the Constitution well I will tell you. In the 18th century health care was herbs, home mecine, and for those few who happened to live near an APOTHOCARY maybe a few chemicals that few people actually knew how or why they may have worked.

    Health care was not a major undertaking ( no pun intended) so why would the founding fathers put it into the Constitution.
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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I wanna see the part that makes punitive taxes leagal.
    the problem is that your term 'punitive taxes " is subjective. You would have had a leg to possibly stand upon if the Constitution had forbade taxes.

    It does not forbid taxes. Some people may decide that any and all taxes are punitive. So what!! If taxes are not forbidden you can call taxes punitive, bad, socilaist, communist, nazist, what ever label you want but if they are not prohibited you lose!!
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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    There are many things that we do and have done since the adoption of the Constitution that were not in the Constitution but just because they were not in the Constitution that does not make them "unconstitutional".
    Actually, that's exactly what it means.

    Welcome to a place where people use words correctly.

    Try doing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    You want to discuss why health care was not in the Constitution well I will tell you. In the 18th century health care was herbs, home mecine, and for those few who happened to live near an APOTHOCARY maybe a few chemicals that few people actually knew how or why they may have worked.
    So you admit that they had medicine in the 18th century. that's a start.

    Are you aware that the people that wrote the Constitution had access to this medical care?

    Good for you.

    Are you aware that not one of them expected their neighbors to pay for their own medical care?

    Probably not.

    Are you aware that not one of them expected to be forced to pay for anyone else's medical care?

    Probably not.

    Are you aware that they expected the people to pay for their own damn medical care, and if they didn't they could die, and that was that?

    Well, welcome to the real world.

    The nonsense of socialised medicine wasn't included in the Constitution because it's wrong.

    Just in case you didn't notice Constitution has a mechanism to correct oversights the original framers made. It's called the Amendment process.

    Y'all want to wreck the country by nationalizing health care? Fine, don't claim it's Constitutional until you get a friggin' amendment ratified.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Health care was not a major undertaking ( no pun intended) so why would the founding fathers put it into the Constitution.
    Why would they indeed, when they were trying to craft a document to preserve liberty, not destroy it?
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 08-12-09 at 09:25 PM.

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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Let us discuss what Nice Lady Katie read to The Senator Mr. Spector: "This is about the systematic dismantling of this country…you have awakened a sleeping giant," a woman named Katy Abram said to Specter, reading from a prepared statement. "

    Lady Katie read this statement and she was emotional and nice about it. She said that everyone in the room agrred with her. Now Katie Abram was on HARDBALL with the last hour and 1/2 and she was nicely asked about what she meant by this statement that she read and she could not explain herself.

    So we the great forumites of DP can now speculate as to what she meant.
    We can has that she meant this or that or this and that, or maybe that and this.

    I think that she may actually believe that the government is making economic policies that she does not think it should. The problem is that I wonder if she really knows why. Now I am not saying that she is any more un-informed than anyone else but she did go to the townhall and read a staement that accused Sen Spector of "systematic dismantling of this country" and if she the Nice Lady says something like that they need to be ready willing and able to al least try to explain it.

    That is the flip side of free speech. It may not be a requirement of free speech but it sure as heck would go a long way to sustain your credibility.

    I do not expect Katie Abram to expound like a talking head but a hint of what and why you are saying what you are would be nice.
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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You are aware that the Constitution provides absolutely no mechanism for public referenda, right?

    The people never vote on issues.
    However, it does say that it's a, "Government of the people, by the people and for the people". IMO, that implies public referenda.
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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Let us discuss what Nice Lady Katie read to The Senator Mr. Spector: "This is about the systematic dismantling of this country…you have awakened a sleeping giant," a woman named Katy Abram said to Specter, reading from a prepared statement. "

    Lady Katie read this statement and she was emotional and nice about it. She said that everyone in the room agrred with her. Now Katie Abram was on HARDBALL with the last hour and 1/2 and she was nicely asked about what she meant by this statement that she read and she could not explain herself.

    So we the great forumites of DP can now speculate as to what she meant.
    We can has that she meant this or that or this and that, or maybe that and this.

    I think that she may actually believe that the government is making economic policies that she does not think it should. The problem is that I wonder if she really knows why. Now I am not saying that she is any more un-informed than anyone else but she did go to the townhall and read a staement that accused Sen Spector of "systematic dismantling of this country" and if she the Nice Lady says something like that they need to be ready willing and able to al least try to explain it.

    That is the flip side of free speech. It may not be a requirement of free speech but it sure as heck would go a long way to sustain your credibility.

    I do not expect Katie Abram to expound like a talking head but a hint of what and why you are saying what you are would be nice.

    Ok, let's discuss Miss Kaite. She's a great American who has seen through all of the Libbos's BS. God bless her!

    Believe it, or not, an American citizen doesn't have to be a constitutional scholar to call, "BS", when they see the government doing something wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    the problem is that your term 'punitive taxes " is subjective. You would have had a leg to possibly stand upon if the Constitution had forbade taxes.

    It does not forbid taxes. Some people may decide that any and all taxes are punitive. So what!! If taxes are not forbidden you can call taxes punitive, bad, socilaist, communist, nazist, what ever label you want but if they are not prohibited you lose!!
    No it's not. When a president promises that he's going to make the haves give to the have nots and imposes taxes to do just that, then those are punitive taxes.

    The taxes that have been imposed on energy companies and on the citizenry for health care are, indeed, punitive taxes. Remember when PBO talked about all that, "economic justice"???
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Actually, that's exactly what it means.

    Welcome to a place where people use words correctly.

    Try doing it.



    So you admit that they had medicine in the 18th century. that's a start.

    Are you aware that the people that wrote the Constitution had access to this medical care?

    Good for you.

    Are you aware that not one of them expected their neighbors to pay for their own medical care?

    Probably not.

    Are you aware that not one of them expected to be forced to pay for anyone else's medical care?

    Probably not.

    Are you aware that they expected the people to pay for their own damn medical care, and if they didn't they could die, and that was that?

    Well, welcome to the real world.

    The nonsense of socialised medicine wasn't included in the Constitution because it's wrong.

    Just in case you didn't notice Constitution has a mechanism to correct oversights the original framers made. It's called the Amendment process.

    Y'all want to wreck the country by nationalizing health care? Fine, don't claim it's Constitutional until you get a friggin' amendment ratified.



    Why would they indeed, when they were trying to craft a document to preserve liberty, not destroy it?
    No not everything was spelled out in the Constitution. It cannot be and should not be. Things, institutions, concepts that were not yet inexistence cannot be in the Constitution. Now you are corect that I am aware that there was some rudimentory form of "medicine" in the 18th century. Yet the founding fathers did not project the possibility of advances in science and technology to someday render health care to be a major portion of GDP so they did not adress it.

    The founding fathers also did not forbid the government from financing health care did they!!!

    Now your opinion is "The nonsense of socialised medicine wasn't included in the Constitution because it's wrong."

    No I believ that it was not in there becasue as I stated the founding fathers did not anticipate that it would be so big. That is not a crfitism of them it is just a fact.

    Did the founding father even think of whether health care was a right or a privelege ? I don't think so becasue agian it was not a big deal back then.

    The founding fathers di believe that men had the right to be be free. Yet they beleived or at least stated that only White men had a right to be be free. Blacks who were slaves maybe could get that privelege to be free.

    Slavery was not forbidden in the Constitution by the founding fathers. Yet we rew as a people and a nation and eventually made it forbidden. Well someone who wnats to keep things that way they were when the original Constitution was written will say and have said that doing away with slavery is unconstitutioinal. Try to defend that position today!!!!
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    re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, let's discuss Miss Kaite. She's a great American who has seen through all of the Libbos's BS. God bless her!

    Believe it, or not, an American citizen doesn't have to be a constitutional scholar to call, "BS", when they see the government doing something wrong.
    I hear that term "great American " used and missused by that vane fool SAUN VANNITY but he only calls someone a "great American" if he agrees with them.

    I hope that you are not calling the nice Lady Katie a "great American" only because you agree with what she read.

    I give her credit for using her right of free speech and she behaved like a lady not like a lot of the wacko and freaks that have yelled and insulted and lied at the townhalls.
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