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    Re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunor View Post
    Dude,
    Read your signature. That is what I was responding to. My mother grew up in Austria at the end of WWII, her father was a German soldier, he was SS and fought on the Russian front.
    The National Socialist Party (NAZI) were Fascists (corporatists) and Socialists. What were their political goals outside of genocide? They were national health care, environmentalism, animal rights and other LEFTIST POLICIES. When they came to power the communists (people who were farther left) decided that the country was moving in the direction they wanted and said thing like first Brown then Red.
    Yes Hitler WAS PROGRESSIVE. He was a child of the progressive movement. Look at what he read, studied, who he admired and what his philosophy was. Compare that to the progressive movement.
    The truth hurts when its a 2X4 to the head.
    You need to be carefull with how you apply the lable progressive. In general terms progressive means that you believe in change or progress over hold the old way or conserve it. There was the "international progressive movement" which wanted change and oh yes Hitler wanted change he wanted to change Germany from a republic to an autocracy so that is realy progressive !!! sic !! In the U.S. progressives advocated the abolition of slavery, right to vote for women and civil rights reforms !! Let's see how is that similar to Nazi's ?? Oh, it's not !!!!

    Wait I see that Nazi has an 'i', and so does the term progessive. Wow they are the same, both terms have an 'i' . I do not intend to be demeaning but just a point that you are taking one policy or a name from one philosophy and match it with another and call them the same.
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    Re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    You need to be carefull with how you apply the lable progressive. In general terms progressive means that you believe in change or progress over hold the old way or conserve it. There was the "international progressive movement" which wanted change and oh yes Hitler wanted change he wanted to change Germany from a republic to an autocracy so that is realy progressive !!! sic !! In the U.S. progressives advocated the abolition of slavery, right to vote for women and civil rights reforms !! Let's see how is that similar to Nazi's ?? Oh, it's not !!!!

    Wait I see that Nazi has an 'i', and so does the term progessive. Wow they are the same, both terms have an 'i' . I do not intend to be demeaning but just a point that you are taking one policy or a name from one philosophy and match it with another and call them the same.
    I will agree to disagree with you on the NAZI stuff.

    Did you watch the Libertarian video?

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    Re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunor View Post
    Dude,
    Read your signature. That is what I was responding to. My mother grew up in Austria at the end of WWII, her father was a German soldier, he was SS and fought on the Russian front.
    The National Socialist Party (NAZI) were Fascists (corporatists) and Socialists. What were their political goals outside of genocide? They were national health care, environmentalism, animal rights and other LEFTIST POLICIES. When they came to power the communists (people who were farther left) decided that the country was moving in the direction they wanted and said thing like first Brown then Red.
    Yes Hitler WAS PROGRESSIVE. He was a child of the progressive movement. Look at what he read, studied, who he admired and what his philosophy was. Compare that to the progressive movement.
    The truth hurts when its a 2X4 to the head.
    The fact that the Nazis were for national healthcare, animal rights, and environmental protections was not what made them evil.

    It was their extreme nationalism, racism, and xenophobia, and persecution and later wholesale genocide of jews, minorities, and homosexuals that made them evil.

    Nationalism is definitely a trait more associated with the right than the left. Xenophobia is definitely a trait more associated with the right than the left.
    Militarism is definitely a trait more associated with the right than the left.
    Intolerance of other races and homosexuals is definitely a trait more associated with the right than the left.

    Both sides need to own their douche bags. The left largely owns the Maoists, and the right largely owns the Nazis.
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    Re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post

    Both sides need to own their douche bags. The left largely owns the Maoists, and the right largely owns the Nazis.


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    Re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The fact that the Nazis were for national healthcare, animal rights, and environmental protections was not what made them evil.

    It was their extreme nationalism, racism, and xenophobia, and persecution and later wholesale genocide of jews, minorities, and homosexuals that made them evil.

    Nationalism is definitely a trait more associated with the right than the left. Xenophobia is definitely a trait more associated with the right than the left.
    Militarism is definitely a trait more associated with the right than the left.
    Intolerance of other races and homosexuals is definitely a trait more associated with the right than the left.

    Both sides need to own their douche bags. The left largely owns the Maoists, and the right largely owns the Nazis.
    What ever your reality is that is fine with me. I don't mind.

    I will agree to disagree with you on the NAZI stuff.

    Did you watch the Libertarian video?
    Did you listen to the Reagan audio?

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    Re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    Awesome video!

    Thanks!!

    Another 2X4 to the head.

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    Re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunor View Post
    What ever your reality is that is fine with me. I don't mind.

    I will agree to disagree with you on the NAZI stuff.

    Did you watch the Libertarian video?
    Did you listen to the Reagan audio?
    I don't need to watch a video or listen to "Reagan audio", I have done thing called "reading" over the course of my life and being something of a history buff, I have done a great deal of that "reading" about Nazi Germany, various Communist regimes and so on.

    First off, Libertarian ideology has as much in common with the left as it does the right. Secondly, once again, history has not judged Nazism evil because it promoted environmental protections early on and a national healthcare system. If that made an ideology evil, then the entire industrialized world outside of the United States would be evil.

    Nazism is evil because its an ideology that promoted militarism, racism, and genocide. Your logic is just plain flawed. To say that Obama wants Universal Healthcare, the Nazis promoted Universal Heathcare in Germany, thus Obama is like a National Socialist. That is the same as saying, Reagan loved his two dogs Lucky and Rex, Adolph Hitler loved his dogs, thus Reagan was like a National Socialist.
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    Re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't need to watch a video or listen to "Reagan audio", I have done thing called "reading" over the course of my life and being something of a history buff, I have done a great deal of that "reading" about Nazi Germany, various Communist regimes and so on.

    First off, Libertarian ideology has as much in common with the left as it does the right. Secondly, once again, history has not judged Nazism evil because it promoted environmental protections early on and a national healthcare system. If that made an ideology evil, then the entire industrialized world outside of the United States would be evil.

    Nazism is evil because its an ideology that promoted militarism, racism, and genocide. Your logic is just plain flawed. To say that Obama wants Universal Healthcare, the Nazis promoted Universal Heathcare in Germany, thus Obama is like a National Socialist. That is the same as saying, Reagan loved his two dogs Lucky and Rex, Adolph Hitler loved his dogs, thus Reagan was like a National Socialist.
    Dude,
    you are WAY TO SERIOUS with all this politcal stuff. I get upset & pasionate some times too but I've been trying to give you an out on the NAZI crap.

    If you prefer to read over a 10 minute audio & a 10 minute video then have you read "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg or "the Party of Death" by Ramesh Ponnuru or "The 5000 Year Leap" by W. Cleon Skousen or "The Federalist Papers"?

    Reagan makes some valid points and so does the libertarian video. Also the video posted by "The silenced majority" was also very good (you may not like it).

    Reagan makes several points about "Socialized Medicine" that you MAY find interesting.

    The Libertarian video is just a lesson on you own you and nobody else. More good points. Yes I know the Libertarians have some liberal ideas, some I can agree with.

    The final video is just what it says but is very good and yet easy to understand even for me so you should be able to make it through in 10 minutes.

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    Re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No it's not. Your's is. Your completely misinterpreting the Constituion.
    The preamble does not confer any authority upon the government. Here, you can read about it:

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamble_to_the_United_States_Constitution]Preamble to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Re: Angry Man Tells Specter: God Will Judge You

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunor View Post
    Dude,
    you are WAY TO SERIOUS with all this politcal stuff. I get upset & pasionate some times too but I've been trying to give you an out on the NAZI crap.

    If you prefer to read over a 10 minute audio & a 10 minute video then have you read "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg
    No I haven't. Is Jonah Goldberg a historian? No, he is a right wing political hack that is a contributer to the National Review.

    or "the Party of Death" by Ramesh Ponnuru or "The 5000 Year Leap" by W. Cleon Skousen or
    Possibly if you read actual textbook history rather than the opinions and one sided portrayals of it?

    "The Federalist Papers"?
    They predate Nazism by well over 100 years so I am not sure your point with them although everyone ought to be familiar with them. Just the same, The National Review is not a history book. Its columnists are trying to propagandize just like columnists with a left wing rag like the Nation are.

    Reagan makes some valid points and so does the libertarian video. Also the video posted by "The silenced majority" was also very good (you may not like it).

    Reagan makes several points about "Socialized Medicine" that you MAY find interesting.

    The Libertarian video is just a lesson on you own you and nobody else. More good points. Yes I know the Libertarians have some liberal ideas, some I can agree with.

    The final video is just what it says but is very good and yet easy to understand even for me so you should be able to make it through in 10 minutes.
    First off, I am well aware that self ownership is the foundation of liberty. I have been arguing that on here for years. Neither the right nor the left fully recognizes the principle of self ownership.

    Secondly, Reagan made his socialist arguments about Medicare back in the early 60s. He pretty much ended up being wrong, but in one respect he is right, Medicare is socialism just like Public Education is or Unemployment. That doesn't make it evil though.

    Finally, I have seen the video Silenced Majority posted a year ago, its a basic civics lesson and does not disprove either side, but rather its a critque of extremism whether on the right or the left.

    Don't outsource your thinking to columnists and pundits that decide to write books, just read history for yourself.
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