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    Re: Gladney The Uninsured Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, let me get this straight, only the insured folks can protest a bill that will obviously be detrimental to health care in this country and the uninsured have to put the blinders on and do as they're told? Is that it?
    No, no, no, no..... you got it all wrong.

    Anyone that isn't full hearted behind Government controlled health care are supposed to shut up, put the blinders on, and do as they’re told.... K?

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    Re: Gladney The Uninsured Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    No, no, no, no..... you got it all wrong.

    Anyone that isn't full hearted behind Government controlled health care are supposed to shut up, put the blinders on, and do as they’re told.... K?
    Damn, that's right! I slipped there, please pardon me for thinking rationally for a minute.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gladney The Uninsured Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Damn, that's right! I slipped there, please pardon me for thinking rationally for a minute.
    Well.... alright, but don't let it happen again.

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    Re: Gladney The Uninsured Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Well.... alright, but don't let it happen again.
    yessir...!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gladney The Uninsured Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    I've watched the full video and it doesn't play out the way Gladney says it did. First off his fight was between him and a black SIEU member.
    The video in this thread shows the last 2.5 seconds of the fight. Unless you're referring to some other video, neither you nor I have no idea of what happened before that.

    It was a black guy that called him the N-word.
    This is correct, my apologies. I was basing the "hate crime" discussion on the mistaken assumption that the guy was white.

    It was the black SIEU member who was on the ground at the start of the video and Gladney was standing over him. The SIEU member tried to get between Gladney and his fellow member who was on the ground and they both ended up falling over. Gladney looked fine at the end of the video.
    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Clearly you can see in the video he trips and then gets back up perfectly fine. Sounds like another Ashley Todd in the making.
    It's possible to "look fine" after a fight and still be injured, especially when the worst part of it supposedly happened before the cameras started rolling.

    Law suits for what? The video looks like he initiated the confrontation
    And you're basing this off of the two obscured seconds of the fight that you saw on the tape? Statements by Gladney and witnesses offer a different perspective, and it was the other folks, not Gladney, who were arrested for assault that night.

    The disconcerting part of this is how people like PeteEU and those behind ThinkProgress are so eager to attack someone who, as far as we know, is the victim of an assault.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Gladney The Uninsured Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The video in this thread shows the last 2.5 seconds of the fight. Unless you're referring to some other video, neither you nor I have no idea of what happened before that.
    Well from what i've seen on the videos another black guy is on the ground first and gladney is standing over him then a union members gets in the way and gladney trips and falls. Nowhere does the video show the supposed vicious beating gladney speaks of. His face looks fine the rest of him looks fine. Unless you're saying they did a good job with makeup he seems pretty fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This is correct, my apologies. I was basing the "hate crime" discussion on the mistaken assumption that the guy was white.
    So Gladney's whole bit about it being a hate crime is false. The guy seems to want attention. He's calling for people to donate to pay "medical" bills and yet is against reform. Interesting.



    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    It's possible to "look fine" after a fight and still be injured, especially when the worst part of it supposedly happened before the cameras started rolling.
    Its also possible to fake injuries in front of cameras to elicit sympathy and call for donations for help.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And you're basing this off of the two obscured seconds of the fight that you saw on the tape? Statements by Gladney and witnesses offer a different perspective, and it was the other folks, not Gladney, who were arrested for assault that night.
    The video doesn't seem to remotely back up his story. He tripped and fell to the ground then jumped back up if it was a severe beating like he said he would have been on the ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The disconcerting part of this is how people like PeteEU and those behind ThinkProgress are so eager to attack someone who, as far as we know, is the victim of an assault.
    Gladney just seems to me that he is cashing in on his 15 minutes of fame being the new Joe the Plumber

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    Re: Gladney The Uninsured Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If he's stuck in a wheelchair, there's most likely a doctor somewhere in the picture.
    You don't need a doctor to get a wheelchair. You could go to an amusement park fake an injury and get a wheelchair. He's wheeled out in front of cameras with a wheelchair.


    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Which is a legal issue. My point stands.



    I never called it, definitively, a hate crime. But let's do clarify things ad nauseum for your sake. We'll just refer to it as the "alleged" hate crime which is what it now is since it has been tossed out there.
    Okay alleged hate crime. Call it whatever you like but proving a hate crime based on nothing is going to be pretty hard. Gladney would have to prove he was "beaten" because he was black which doesn't seem to be the case because
    1. the video doesn't show him getten beaten up but rather tripping, falling, then getting back up.
    2. the man who called him the N-word was another black guy
    3. You would have to prove intent, which can't be proven at this point.

    Gladney is the one tossing it out there to cash in on his 15 minutes.



    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So then show me what the law is in Missouri when it comes to hate crimes if you wish to diminish my point.
    Missouri's law calls makes it illegal to perpertrate violence or intimidation based on race. This means you would specifically have the intent to target a specific race. This did not happen. So any claim of a hate crime is reaching.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    In summation, put into a wheelchair from this "alleged" hate crime...my point stands.



    I have heard of such. Before I prosecute the man for being a phony, I will wait for more facts to roll in, however.
    A guy who was totally fine before the camera rolls and has no visible signs of injury. Right.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes, I remember the girl with mental problems. I don't see the relevance to this issue.
    Totally relateable. The video doesn't back up Gladney's story. Now he will be propped up by the right much like Joe the Plumber. Hey why not though any excuse to attack the unions.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes, a smear job.
    Of the unions yes. The video doesn't back up his story. In fact it was a union member who was on the ground in the start of the video and Gladney standing over him.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It's one video and there is a lot of motion and commotion in it. I will wait for more facts to come in.


    Oh this thread is quite telling that there is a smear job being attempted.


    You're right. There is an "alleged" hate crime. A court will decide if there was an actual hate crime or not. You, however, won't be making that final determination.

    Maybe not in this video...

    I dunno. Ask him.
    No smear job needed looks like a con to make a quick buck. He's already asking for donations.

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    Re: Gladney The Uninsured Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    You don't need a doctor to get a wheelchair. You could go to an amusement park fake an injury and get a wheelchair. He's wheeled out in front of cameras with a wheelchair.
    If he is going out on camera in a wheelchair, I am sure there is a doctor involved somewhere. Until you can prove he got his wheelchair at an amusement park or whatever nonsense you were trying to peddle, my point stands.

    Okay alleged hate crime. Call it whatever you like but proving a hate crime based on nothing is going to be pretty hard. Gladney would have to prove he was "beaten" because he was black which doesn't seem to be the case because
    1. the video doesn't show him getten beaten up but rather tripping, falling, then getting back up.
    2. the man who called him the N-word was another black guy
    3. You would have to prove intent, which can't be proven at this point.

    Gladney is the one tossing it out there to cash in on his 15 minutes.
    As was pointed out to you, the video does not show the entirety of the event. As it stands now, there is an "alleged" hate crime. A court will decide what to do about it; not me or you.


    Missouri's law calls makes it illegal to perpertrate violence or intimidation based on race. This means you would specifically have the intent to target a specific race. This did not happen. So any claim of a hate crime is reaching.
    If he was being called the N-word while being beaten, I'm not really sure it matters. Hate crime legislation also does not limit "race" as the deciding factor in whether a crime is a hate crime or not. It only demands that a person be targeted for being affiliated with a group and that affiliation or membership in that group be the reason the person was targeted. The "hate" crime in all this may very well be that he was part of the opposing "team".

    I find it stupid that we have to elevate or diminish victims based on something so trite but it is what it is. Unfortunate, though.

    A guy who was totally fine before the camera rolls and has no visible signs of injury. Right.
    Again, you don't know that he was totally fine. You see a small part of what happened, you have no MD credentials, and you have not examined him, his x-rays, or any medical tests. You don't know what the situation is.

    Totally relateable. The video doesn't back up Gladney's story. Now he will be propped up by the right much like Joe the Plumber. Hey why not though any excuse to attack the unions.
    Joe the Plumber and Gladney have no relevant relation.

    Of the unions yes. The video doesn't back up his story. In fact it was a union member who was on the ground in the start of the video and Gladney standing over him.
    So why aren't you moaning and bitching that the union guy just tripped? You didn't see in the video Gladney attacking him either. But I see how quick you are to relinquish that awesome power of examination of yours and immediately default to speculation when you think you can attack "the other guy" with an accusation.

    typical.

    No smear job needed looks like a con to make a quick buck. He's already asking for donations.
    Donations to cover medical expenses. And before you start spouting off, you still don't know what those expenses and injuries are despite wanting...no, needing...them to be nothing.

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    Re: Gladney The Uninsured Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If he is going out on camera in a wheelchair, I am sure there is a doctor involved somewhere. Until you can prove he got his wheelchair at an amusement park or whatever nonsense you were trying to peddle, my point stands.
    The doctor has been quite a bit lacking around Gladney. All you have is a guy suddenly in a wheelchair who a day before was perfectly fine to talk. I'll remember next time I trip and fall to threaten to sue everyone around me


    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    As was pointed out to you, the video does not show the entirety of the event. As it stands now, there is an "alleged" hate crime. A court will decide what to do about it; not me or you.
    As it stands now there is no alleged hate crime only Gladney claiming such. You'd need more proof of that. That's if this even will get to a court. So without the video you have a case of he said she said.


    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If he was being called the N-word while being beaten, I'm not really sure it matters. Hate crime legislation also does not limit "race" as the deciding factor in whether a crime is a hate crime or not. It only demands that a person be targeted for being affiliated with a group and that affiliation or membership in that group be the reason the person was targeted. The "hate" crime in all this may very well be that he was part of the opposing "team".
    You have to prove he was specifically targeted because of his race. Once again this is where the hate crime argument fails to meet the criteria. He was called the N-word by a black guy. It is unclear who initiated the confrontation but we do know a black SIEU member was on the ground and Gladney was standing over him. We do know that someone got in Gladney's way and that Gladney fell over. We do not know for sure what happened before or after but according to the current evidence there is nothing to denote a hate crime. Hate crimes in MO cover race, religion, ethnicity and orientation. They do not cover political groups. Again in order for it to be a hate crime you have to show he was specifically targeted for being black.


    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I find it stupid that we have to elevate or diminish victims based on something so trite but it is what it is. Unfortunate, though.



    Again, you don't know that he was totally fine. You see a small part of what happened, you have no MD credentials, and you have not examined him, his x-rays, or any medical tests. You don't know what the situation is.
    I haven't heard a peep out of anyone who has examined him. I see a guy sitting in a wheelchair with no physical evidence of a beating taken place. His face was fine, his arms and legs were fine. He described that he was kicked while on the ground. There doesn't seem to be any outward appearance of that. Well you don't know what his situation is either but you're still propping him up. He was all over fox news on the 7th giving interviews perfectly fine no wheelchair, no painkillers. He claims he was kicked and punched in the head. For someone hit like that his head looks fine. Unless those big bad mean union workers hit like girls. Yet he comes out at a press conference with a wheelchair and supposedly too drugged up on pain killers to talk.


    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Joe the Plumber and Gladney have no relevant relation.
    Really now? Both after their own 15 minutes of fame blowing up their own situation bigger than it was. Joe criticized Obama even though Joe wasn't going to be taxed under the plan and his business didn't make enough to be taxed. Gladney opposed to reform while at the same time asking for donations for "medical" bills. Seems pretty similiar.


    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So why aren't you moaning and bitching that the union guy just tripped? You didn't see in the video Gladney attacking him either. But I see how quick you are to relinquish that awesome power of examination of yours and immediately default to speculation when you think you can attack "the other guy" with an accusation.
    Why am I not moaning and bitching about the union guy? The union guy isn't milking this for 15 minutes of fame. He's not playing the victim here. Even though Gladney stood over him. Right now its not even a given that anyone was attacked. You have a union guy on the ground and you have gladney falling over when a union guy came between Gladney and his friend.



    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Donations to cover medical expenses. And before you start spouting off, you still don't know what those expenses and injuries are despite wanting...no, needing...them to be nothing.
    You don't seem to either. As of yet we don't see much proof of anything.
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    Re: Gladney The Uninsured Activist

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    The doctor has been quite a bit lacking around Gladney. All you have is a guy suddenly in a wheelchair who a day before was perfectly fine to talk. I'll remember next time I trip and fall to threaten to sue everyone around me
    The doctor seems to be lacking around Gladney? Okay, you are just reaching now. I am not going to fault the guy for not taking cameras with him to his doctor appointments.

    As it stands now there is no alleged hate crime only Gladney claiming such. You'd need more proof of that. That's if this even will get to a court. So without the video you have a case of he said she said.
    No, without the video you have a case of an alleged hated crime being witnessed or not by a crowd of people.

    You have to prove he was specifically targeted because of his race. Once again this is where the hate crime argument fails to meet the criteria. He was called the N-word by a black guy. It is unclear who initiated the confrontation but we do know a black SIEU member was on the ground and Gladney was standing over him. We do know that someone got in Gladney's way and that Gladney fell over. We do not know for sure what happened before or after but according to the current evidence there is nothing to denote a hate crime. Hate crimes in MO cover race, religion, ethnicity and orientation. They do not cover political groups. Again in order for it to be a hate crime you have to show he was specifically targeted for being black.
    Well he was being called the N-word. I am sure the courts will decide; not you or me.

    I haven't heard a peep out of anyone who has examined him.
    And you probably won't before a hearing occurs. He has a right to medical privacy and his doctor has an obligation to maintain that right. Get over it.

    I see a guy sitting in a wheelchair with no physical evidence of a beating taken place. His face was fine, his arms and legs were fine. He described that he was kicked while on the ground. There doesn't seem to be any outward appearance of that. Well you don't know what his situation is either but you're still propping him up.
    Bull****. I haven't propped anyone up. I have stated that your accusations are baseless and unfounded because...now let me check...yep, you still have zero credentials to make the determination that he is "fine" (wonder how one arrives at a medical diagnosis of "fine" )

    He was all over fox news on the 7th giving interviews perfectly fine no wheelchair, no painkillers. He claims he was kicked and punched in the head. For someone hit like that his head looks fine. Unless those big bad mean union workers hit like girls. Yet he comes out at a press conference with a wheelchair and supposedly too drugged up on pain killers to talk.
    And until you have a medical report that supports your uninformed conjecture, your "diagnosis" of "fine" means as much to this debate as the dust on my shoe.

    Really now? Both after their own 15 minutes of fame blowing up their own situation bigger than it was. Joe criticized Obama even though Joe wasn't going to be taxed under the plan and his business didn't make enough to be taxed. Gladney opposed to reform while at the same time asking for donations for "medical" bills. Seems pretty similiar.
    I suppose if you so desperately need the comparison, you can make anything fit. I find your comparison stretching at best but closer to irrelevant.

    Why am I not moaning and bitching about the union guy? The union guy isn't milking this for 15 minutes of fame. He's not playing the victim here. Even though Gladney stood over him.
    Gladney stood over him? Or Gladney was standing there when the guy fell? You're soooo quick to condemn Gladney with little information (oh, oh...except a laymen's diagnosis of "fine". still can't get over that. ). But at the same time, with just as little information, so quick to absolve the union guy. I find the hypocrisy quite amusing. But not surprising.

    Right now its not even a given that anyone was attacked. You have a union guy on the ground and you have gladney falling over when a union guy came between Gladney and his friend.
    In your perception, skewed as it is.

    You don't seem to either. As of yet we don't see much proof of anything.
    Exactly. So then why so quick to condemn a man when you confess that you don't know jack **** about the situation?

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