Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 11 to 16 of 16

Thread: Congressional Budget Expert Says Preventive Care Will Raise -- Not Cut -- Costs

  1. #11
    Girthless
    RightinNYC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Last Seen
    01-23-11 @ 11:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    25,894

    Re: Congressional Budget Expert Says Preventive Care Will Raise -- Not Cut -- Costs

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Yeah, cuz you're just brimming with common sense......
    No need for the personal attack, especially when the exact same could be said about your earlier statements.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

  2. #12
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    New York
    Last Seen
    12-13-17 @ 12:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    11,691

    Re: Congressional Budget Expert Says Preventive Care Will Raise -- Not Cut -- Costs

    RightinNYC,

    I believe what CBO is assessing with respect to preventive care is mainly the relative costs/benefits associated with the extra diagnostic tests associated with such care. I agree with CBO that there probably would be no savings.

    If, on the other hand, people, in general, smoked less, exercised more, etc., savings might develop. But those changes would have nothing to do with the health care legislation and are beyond the scope of what CBO is analyzing.

    Finally, barring a major restructuring of the health care industry, namely knocking down anti-competitive industry and regulatory barriers and practices, introduction of such diagnostic tests on a larger scale, increasing the use of technology, etc., would probably result in minimal savings, at best.

  3. #13
    Sage
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    08-27-09 @ 08:41 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,344

    Re: Congressional Budget Expert Says Preventive Care Will Raise -- Not Cut -- Costs

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    RightinNYC,

    I believe what CBO is assessing with respect to preventive care is mainly the relative costs/benefits associated with the extra diagnostic tests associated with such care. I agree with CBO that there probably would be no savings.

    If, on the other hand, people, in general, smoked less, exercised more, etc., savings might develop. But those changes would have nothing to do with the health care legislation and are beyond the scope of what CBO is analyzing.

    Finally, barring a major restructuring of the health care industry, namely knocking down anti-competitive industry and regulatory barriers and practices, introduction of such diagnostic tests on a larger scale, increasing the use of technology, etc., would probably result in minimal savings, at best.
    Ok, so the health care legislation is not changing folks health insurance (well, not right away), it's not changing how health care is consumed, it's not changing how health care is billed/paid for (it's still fee-for-service), and it's not reducing people's trips to the doctor.

    Ummm......where's the "reform"? This bill looks like 1,000 pages of more regulating to sustain the status quo.

  4. #14
    Sage
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    08-27-09 @ 08:41 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,344

    Re: Congressional Budget Expert Says Preventive Care Will Raise -- Not Cut -- Costs

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    I have shown proof that the way the numbers are run are false. Not my observation, someone else's. I will find it again for you if you wish.
    Your "proof".

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1058159681

    My rebuttal to your "proof".

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1058159681

    Still waiting on you to respond to my criticisms of your "proof".

  5. #15
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Zyphlin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    NoMoAuchie
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    47,998

    Re: Congressional Budget Expert Says Preventive Care Will Raise -- Not Cut -- Costs

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    I have shown proof that the way the numbers are run are false. Not my observation, someone else's. I will find it again for you if you wish.
    You're correct to doubt it Right. His "proof" is a former Clinton white house member who disagree's with the CBO based on pure speculation based on seemingly nothing more than the fact that he thinks the computarized system...something many doctors have already stated they think is a bad idea...is somehow going to cut costs of medical research by 50%.

    A partisan, former clinton white house advisor, who is a supporter of the health care plan or a non-partisan government office whose came out negative on both republican and democrat bills numerous times before and has no real stock either way on the politics of this.

    Yes, the first is DEFINITELY the more reliable source.

  6. #16
    Girthless
    RightinNYC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Last Seen
    01-23-11 @ 11:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    25,894

    Re: Congressional Budget Expert Says Preventive Care Will Raise -- Not Cut -- Costs

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    RightinNYC,

    I believe what CBO is assessing with respect to preventive care is mainly the relative costs/benefits associated with the extra diagnostic tests associated with such care. I agree with CBO that there probably would be no savings.
    This was where I had been hoping for savings - I guess that I assumed that if everyone was getting tested for cancer/diabetes/etc. early, things would be caught much quicker and we would incur less costs over time.

    If, on the other hand, people, in general, smoked less, exercised more, etc., savings might develop. But those changes would have nothing to do with the health care legislation and are beyond the scope of what CBO is analyzing.
    I agree, I don't really see how more frequent preventative care would induce people to work out more or smoke less. That seems to be where the most savings are, but I don't think that Congress is really serious about dealing with it. The way forward is right in front of them:

    New York City reached its lowest rate of smoking on record -- 15.8 percent, with 350,000 fewer smokers than in 2002, city health officials said.

    ...

    The city's adult smoking rate has fallen since 2002, from 21.5 percent in 2002 to 15.8 percent in 2008, a decline that could prevent more than 115,000 premature deaths in future years, Frieden said. Among smokers, the proportion of heavy daily smokers -- 11 or more cigarettes per day -- has fallen from 36.4 percent to 28.7 percent since 2002.
    Increase cigarette taxes and decrease the places where they can be smoked, and you'll see a massive shift in the number of smokers and the accompanying health care costs.

    Finally, barring a major restructuring of the health care industry, namely knocking down anti-competitive industry and regulatory barriers and practices, introduction of such diagnostic tests on a larger scale, increasing the use of technology, etc., would probably result in minimal savings, at best.
    I'd settle for them teaching my old doctor's goddamn receptionist how to use a fax machine.

    Seriously though, some offices that have implemented technological advances are so much more efficient that it's absurd. Where I used to have to go back to the office to get blood test results or copies of things, I'm now cc'd on emails from the testing company to my doctor. Where I used to have to bring my insurance card and my wallet each time, co-pays are now autodeducted from my checking account. Where I used to have to sit there and have someone take my temp, BP, HR, etc. one by one, they now bust out this machine that does all 3 in 30 seconds.

    It's good stuff.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •