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Re: Woman Who Said She Was ‘Just A Mom’ At Town Hall Meeting Is Exposed As A Republic

MrVicchio said:

It's fairly even, and many of the "Conservatives" on here are Fiscally Conservative and socially moderate to liberal... so the "Conservatives" aren't really a solid block.

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Debate Politics Forums - Stats

Conservatives 187

Liberals 149

very conservative 101

very liberal 77

libertarian 76

Slightly liberal 68

slightly conservative 53

doing the math, and considering libertarian as conservative, which they are closest to:

Conservative 417

liberal 294

even if we do not count libertarians, we get 341 conservatives, which is still a significant majority.

Re: Woman Who Said She Was ‘Just A Mom’ At Town Hall Meeting Is Exposed As A Republic

MrVicchio said:

But are these policies really the best for America or the Democrats?

Entitlement programs favor the Left, because people, once accustomed to being on the Government teat, tend to get upset when people try to take those away, and are easily scared into "They'll take away your XXXX" tactics. So the left panders to the entitlement crowd. Wince that's what's the hubub is all about, let's be honest here...

Government run healthcare will be a huge boon to the DNC, and be very expensive to the Country...

If you say that doesn't play into the desire to make it happen for the Dem politicians, you're blind.

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Democrats and republicans will rarely agree with what is best for the country. What he is doing is best for the country from the point of view of most(I suspect) democrats.

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Redress said:

Debate Politics Forums - Stats

Conservatives 187

Liberals 149

very conservative 101

very liberal 77

libertarian 76

Slightly liberal 68

slightly conservative 53

doing the math, and considering libertarian as conservative, which they are closest to:

Conservative 417

liberal 294

even if we do not count libertarians, we get 341 conservatives, which is still a significant majority.

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Now now, that's not quite right...


Most of the so called "independents" and "centrists" are rather liberal...


How many of these are active posters as well?

Re: Woman Who Said She Was ‘Just A Mom’ At Town Hall Meeting Is Exposed As A Republic

Redress said:

Democrats and republicans will rarely agree with what is best for the country. What he is doing is best for the country from the point of view of most(I suspect) democrats.

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See,

I don't hate Obama. I don't like him, I think his ideals are misguided, his policies scary and his methods suspect.

But I think in many ways, he THINKS he's doing it for a good cause.

Just as I did with Bush, I agreed with him more, naturally, I also had some serious issues with him too, but people tend to ignore that because ZOMG YOU AGREE WITH BUSH ON XXX YOU BUSHBOT!!!

But I think both parties tend to think "Party first, America second". The more power they have, (i.e. bigger majorities) the longer they hold such power, the more they tend to... fall prey to this.

It's just, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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WillRockwell said:

The thread is not about sedition, it is about a Republican operative who identified herself as "just a mom".

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Then why did he try to bring sedition into it. I agree, I don't think Sedition has ANYTHING to do with this but HE made the accusation so I'm asking him to either explain how he feels it has something to do with the thread or relent on his derailment. Funny, you don't seem to want to try and play mod with him. I can only imagine why

Town hall meetings have been a fundamental right of the democratic process since the founding of this nation. The town meeting was even memorialized in a painting by Norman Rockwell. For people to crash such a meeting and refuse to allow discussion to take place is a travesty, and such people should be pushed out of the room. How can you disagree?

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Town Hall Meetings are a "right"? Really? REALLY? I must ask Will, from where does this right to town hall meetings originate. I'm very interested to hear this.

Additionally, how were these peopel "crashing" it. Did they show up uninvited? Did they break in? Those are the general requirements for one to "crash" an event. Was the town hall invite only and they somehow broke in?

Or are you talking about the fact they're loud and making their voice heard? In which case, no, they're not violating anyones rights there. Those running the town hall however would be fully within THEIR rights, as the people responsable for running this thing, to ask these people to please stick to the format or leave. However no, unlike you apparently, I'm not infavor of vigilante justice of having people assult others simply for being loud during a discussion. Going to a town hall meeting, which is SUPPOSED to be interaction between individual citizens and their representitives, and being overly loud is not an illegal thing. Rude? Tactless? Sure, not illegal. However, placing your hands on someone else and physically assulting them by shoving them around IS.

People not doing something illegal shouldn't have illegal activity done against them in response. How can you not agree?

(Oh, also, I don't agree with people shouting over these representitives. I find that is wrong. I would be fine with a protest outside, or them coming in to ask a tough question, but not shouting over those talking. I don't think its WRONG for them to do it, I just don't agree with the tactic. And, unlike some on the left crying about this now, I've been consistant with this view in the past when liberals have done it to conservatives. I don't think its wrong, I just don't agree with the tactic.)

Re: Woman Who Said She Was ‘Just A Mom’ At Town Hall Meeting Is Exposed As A Republic

Redress said:

Debate Politics Forums - Stats

Conservatives 187

Liberals 149

very conservative 101

very liberal 77

libertarian 76

Slightly liberal 68

slightly conservative 53

doing the math, and considering libertarian as conservative, which they are closest to:

Conservative 417

liberal 294

even if we do not count libertarians, we get 341 conservatives, which is still a significant majority.

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Just numbers man, just numbers.

I've seen a number of "Conservative" tagged posters on here that are pro-liberal social causes but hate all the government spending.

Would you consider someone that voted Obama, is for Cap and Trade, Gay Marriage, illegal immigration and pro-abortion but is against more government spending conservative?

I wouldn't.

Re: Woman Who Said She Was ‘Just A Mom’ At Town Hall Meeting Is Exposed As A Republic

MrVicchio said:

I don't recall you raising a fuss...


I guess it's only okay to stop speakers from speaking when they are Conservatives...
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Don't presume to put words in my mouth.....it is wrong for anyone to stop the dialogue of ideas, from either side. In this case the yellers were from SDS, and you can tase them as much as you want. That's what should happen to anyone who attempts to derail the democratic process.

Re: Woman Who Said She Was ‘Just A Mom’ At Town Hall Meeting Is Exposed As A Republic

MrVicchio said:

See,

I don't hate Obama. I don't like him, I think his ideals are misguided, his policies scary and his methods suspect.

But I think in many ways, he THINKS he's doing it for a good cause.

Just as I did with Bush, I agreed with him more, naturally, I also had some serious issues with him too, but people tend to ignore that because ZOMG YOU AGREE WITH BUSH ON XXX YOU BUSHBOT!!!

But I think both parties tend to think "Party first, America second". The more power they have, (i.e. bigger majorities) the longer they hold such power, the more they tend to... fall prey to this.

It's just, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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See, now I agree absolutely with the first part, but not the second. I have said this before, I hate President Bush, but I don't think he intended to be as terrible as he was, he meant to do what was best, he just had such a bad idea of what was best.

What I don't see is this idea of "party first, America second" on any large scale. Obama and democrats felt that a stimulus package and bailouts where best for America, not democrats. Obama and democrats feel that health care reform is best for America, not democrats.

Certainly, both parties play politics on some issues, and some things are done for purely political reasons, but I don't think it is a large portion of what the president or congress does.

Re: Woman Who Said She Was ‘Just A Mom’ At Town Hall Meeting Is Exposed As A Republic

MrVicchio said:

Just numbers man, just numbers.

I've seen a number of "Conservative" tagged posters on here that are pro-liberal social causes but hate all the government spending.

Would you consider someone that voted Obama, is for Cap and Trade, Gay Marriage, illegal immigration and pro-abortion but is against more government spending conservative?

I wouldn't.

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Post all the member stats you want, it is obvious most liberal posters have gotten sick of the Freeper mentality and gang rule here and no longer contribute. Your "Civility is a Must" slogan is a joke.

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WillRockwell said:

Post all the member stats you want, it is obvious most liberal posters have gotten sick of the Freeper mentality and gang rule here and no longer contribute. Your "Civility is a Must" slogan is a joke.

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Don't let the door hit ya! :2wave:

Re: Woman Who Said She Was ‘Just A Mom’ At Town Hall Meeting Is Exposed As A Republic

WillRockwell said:

The thread is not about sedition, it is about a Republican operative who identified herself as "just a mom".
Town hall meetings have been a fundamental right of the democratic process since the founding of this nation. The town meeting was even memorialized in a painting by Norman Rockwell. For people to crash such a meeting and refuse to allow discussion to take place is a travesty, and such people should be pushed out of the room. How can you disagree?

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She is entitled to have a difference of opinion and express it. That's the American way.

How can you possibly advocate that she should be silenced?

Re: Woman Who Said She Was ‘Just A Mom’ At Town Hall Meeting Is Exposed As A Republic

MrVicchio said:

Just numbers man, just numbers.

I've seen a number of "Conservative" tagged posters on here that are pro-liberal social causes but hate all the government spending.

Would you consider someone that voted Obama, is for Cap and Trade, Gay Marriage, illegal immigration and pro-abortion but is against more government spending conservative?

I wouldn't.

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I know of at least a couple of ultra far right wingers who tag themselves as centrists or independents. There are always exceptions, but using what people choose to identify themselves as, it seems clear that there are more conservatives than democrats. Further, just in my interactions on this board, trust me as a liberal when I say that I feel like I am surrounded by conservatives. This may not be purely based on numbers, but on posting frequency, but pick almost any thread, and count the number of conservative and liberal posts, you will see what I am saying.

Re: Woman Who Said She Was ‘Just A Mom’ At Town Hall Meeting Is Exposed As A Republic

WillRockwell said:

Post all the member stats you want, it is obvious most liberal posters have gotten sick of the Freeper mentality and gang rule here and no longer contribute. Your "Civility is a Must" slogan is a joke.

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Democratic Underground You really want an echo chamber of circle jerk agreement. Try them, they'll fit your views.

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WillRockwell said:

Post all the member stats you want, it is obvious most liberal posters have gotten sick of the Freeper mentality and gang rule here and no longer contribute. Your "Civility is a Must" slogan is a joke.

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We have? I still thoroughly enjoy this board. To quote you in this very thread: "Don't presume to put words in my mouth".

Re: Woman Who Said She Was ‘Just A Mom’ At Town Hall Meeting Is Exposed As A Republic

This woman seems to have had some problem in the last year or so with the republican party. She no longer considers herself a member.

She went to a town hall meeting because a friend said she was going. She didn't even know about the meeting till the day before.

The woman is a nobody. She wasn't paid to go to the meeting. Like every thinking American, she has her doubts about this new health plan.

It is so typical of the far left to create mountains out of mole hills. This is nothing but hyper partisanship. Another left wing outrage bites the dust!

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Devil505 said:

Quite right. If anyone shows up at such a town hall meeting parroting the GOP's current talking points & they were even "formerly" GOP officials, I think they have an obligation to make that known to show some honesty. (In the case of this woman claiming to have not paid her dues, all we have is her "word"....& I don't believe her word nor do I think not paying your dues shows anything except you are a deadbeat)

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Yes. You see exactly what it is you want to see.

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Who cares if she was or is a Republican or a political activist? It's irrelevant. Does anyone have any evidence that these people are being bought by the medical insurance industry? If not then stop claiming that this is an issue when it clearly isn't.

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Zyphlin said:

Welcome to how I've felt most of the decade

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I would point out that I at least call out my fellow liberals when I feel they are going too far. This does not happen much when it's conservatives, though I know you do it some.

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mpg said:

Who cares if she was or is a Republican or a political activist?

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Obviously SHE does. ( she cares enough to try to hide the truth, so obviously she knows it's important)

mpg said:

It's irrelevant. Does anyone have any evidence that these people are being bought by the medical insurance industry? If not then stop claiming that this is an issue when it clearly isn't.

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When ironclad proof does come out, you will still deny it & just go rushing off into the semantics weed-forest like you guys always do, so we have very little reason to do anything but spar with you guys to.......keep in shape & have some fun!oke

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Devil505 said:

Obviously SHE does. ( she cares enough to try to hide the truth, so obviously she knows it's important)

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:roll:

Still clinging to the idea that she "lied" or "hid the truth," are you? Doesn't matter that everything she was verifiably true, and that she did say to the reporter that she "left the party," implying that she was once IN the party.

This "deception" exists only in your mind, because you really, really, really, really want her to be a Republican plant. There's no other explanation for this continued insistence of yours.

(If she were, would that constitute "sedition"? Just asking for public benefit.)

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Catz Part Deux said:

She is entitled to have a difference of opinion and express it. That's the American way.

How can you possibly advocate that she should be silenced?

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Where did I advocate she be silenced?

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Harshaw said:

:roll:

Still clinging to the idea that she "lied" or "hid the truth," are you? Doesn't matter that everything she was verifiably true, and that she did say to the reporter that she "left the party," implying that she was once IN the party.

This "deception" exists only in your mind, because you really, really, really, really want her to be a Republican plant. There's no other explanation for this continued insistence of yours.

(If she were, would that constitute "sedition"? Just asking for public benefit.)

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We don't need to "really want" her to be a Republican plant. She IS a Republican plant.

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WillRockwell said:

We don't need to "really want" her to be a Republican plant. She IS a Republican plant.

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Your warped interpretations don't constitute fact. And there are no facts to support your accusation.

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What does that even mean, "republican plant?"

It would be one thing if the far left proved that Joe the Plumber was a republican plant or even anybody! They didn't!

The liberals need to stop always saying things are true as facts when it is just their increasingly paranoid hunches.

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Devil505 said:

When ironclad proof does come out, you will still deny it & just go rushing off into the semantics weed-forest

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There's no need to be rude.