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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

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    You seriously want me to sit here and list all of GWB's and the GOP Congress policies, bills and positions for the 8 years of his Presidency. . .?

    Sorry dude.
    Definitely! The exercise would allow you to educate yourself. Good idea!
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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

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    Bush was seen as a great President when he came into office with a surplus and a booming economy.
    I completely disagree, I remember the coverage of Bush being negative until 9/11 and about three months afterwards, then the coverage went negative for the rest of his term. Admittedly, some of the negative criticisms were deserved, but done for the wrong reasons. Spending, Democrats had no high ground to criticize, they were as guilty as the majority Republicans for demanding earmarks and other budget increases, they attacked on it because it gave them a public perception of being against the spending, it was partisan politics ad-infinitim.
    It wasn't until he actually started taking action did the country crumble beneath his tenure and it took him longer then 6 months to do anything. Why? Because there was nothing to be done. In relative terms he inherited a great thriving country, unlike Obama.
    First off, the analysis is a little too simplified here. Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac were in the middle of catastrophic failure, certain reps from both sides warned against it, but the congress sat on their collective hands and let the bubble burst, 9/11 exposed quite a few bad records keeping practices in many publicly traded companies, leading them to failure, they were no longer around to act as cornerstones to buffer against the massive housing bubble that hit in late '07, in '06, when the Democrats took over, they did absolutely nothing to correct governmental excesses that were choking the market, and in fact added TARP with Bush's approval, which exacerbated the market hit that the country took, now we have a new president doing exactly the same thing and we are paying for it, so it is grossly unfair to blame Bush at this point, the congress and president now own this turd of an economy.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Bush was seen as a great President when he came into office with a surplus and a booming economy. It wasn't until he actually started taking action did the country crumble beneath his tenure and it took him longer then 6 months to do anything. Why? Because there was nothing to be done. In relative terms he inherited a great thriving country, unlike Obama.
    Good lord Gib, what parallel universe do you Liberals inhabit? Bush was constantly impugned as a usurper and stealer of the election which they claimed Gore had won.

    I am constantly fascinated at how willing Liberals like you are to fabricate your own set of facts and reality without any credible evidence of truth. You’re much smarter than that I thought.

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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I completely disagree, I remember the coverage of Bush being negative until 9/11 and about three months afterwards, then the coverage went negative for the rest of his term. Admittedly, some of the negative criticisms were deserved, but done for the wrong reasons. Spending, Democrats had no high ground to criticize, they were as guilty as the majority Republicans for demanding earmarks and other budget increases, they attacked on it because it gave them a public perception of being against the spending, it was partisan politics ad-infinitim. First off, the analysis is a little too simplified here. Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac were in the middle of catastrophic failure, certain reps from both sides warned against it, but the congress sat on their collective hands and let the bubble burst, 9/11 exposed quite a few bad records keeping practices in many publicly traded companies, leading them to failure, they were no longer around to act as cornerstones to buffer against the massive housing bubble that hit in late '07, in '06, when the Democrats took over, they did absolutely nothing to correct governmental excesses that were choking the market, and in fact added TARP with Bush's approval, which exacerbated the market hit that the country took, now we have a new president doing exactly the same thing and we are paying for it, so it is grossly unfair to blame Bush at this point, the congress and president now own this turd of an economy.
    I just want to clarify some points you made; see above videos for the reasons of collapse; it had NOTHING to do with Bush and almost....I typed almost, everything to do with Democrats in Congress.

    The notion that it was due to laissez faire economics is laughable.

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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Good lord Gib, what parallel universe do you Liberals inhabit? Bush was constantly impugned as a usurper and stealer of the election which they claimed Gore had won.
    Of course he was. The American populace doesn't realize that the electoral vote and not the popular vote dictates the election. Bush lost the popular vote but won the electoral.

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    I am constantly fascinated at how willing Liberals like you are to fabricate your own set of facts and reality without any credible evidence of truth. You’re much smarter than that I thought.
    Same goes for you. Your asinine ideals keep me entertained daily.
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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I just want to clarify some points you made; see above videos for the reasons of collapse; it had NOTHING to do with Bush and almost....I typed almost, everything to do with Democrats in Congress.
    Bush didn't cause it, but he didn't stand up for what needed to be done, so he was moderately complicit in it, he does share some blame, but not enough of it to take any away from the congress or current president, they are all guilty.

    The notion that it was due to laissez faire economics is laughable.
    Completely true.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    I think more people actually had expectations for the Obama presidency. Whereas, with Bush, very few people thought he was going to do a good job, he just seemed less inept than Gore.

    I may have to revisit that opinion. I can't figure out which of them would have been worse.

    I wish Dole had won the primary.

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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I completely disagree, I remember the coverage of Bush being negative until 9/11 and about three months afterwards, then the coverage went negative for the rest of his term. Admittedly, some of the negative criticisms were deserved, but done for the wrong reasons. Spending, Democrats had no high ground to criticize, they were as guilty as the majority Republicans for demanding earmarks and other budget increases, they attacked on it because it gave them a public perception of being against the spending, it was partisan politics ad-infinitim.
    Minus Bush's general political ideals, the negative was around the election in which Bush lost the popular vote and won the electoral. The issue here is the ignorance of the American populace thinking the the popular vote had any baring on who is elected President.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    First off, the analysis is a little too simplified here. Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac were in the middle of catastrophic failure, certain reps from both sides warned against it, but the congress sat on their collective hands and let the bubble burst, 9/11 exposed quite a few bad records keeping practices in many publicly traded companies, leading them to failure, they were no longer around to act as cornerstones to buffer against the massive housing bubble that hit in late '07, in '06, when the Democrats took over, they did absolutely nothing to correct governmental excesses that were choking the market, and in fact added TARP with Bush's approval, which exacerbated the market hit that the country took, now we have a new president doing exactly the same thing and we are paying for it, so it is grossly unfair to blame Bush at this point, the congress and president now own this turd of an economy.
    I'm talking public interpretation here the time of. We know things weren't as peachy as they seem but the POPULACE didn't see that at the time. Thus Bush's approval rating vs Obama's.
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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Minus Bush's general political ideals, the negative was around the election in which Bush lost the popular vote and won the electoral. The issue here is the ignorance of the American populace thinking the the popular vote had any baring on who is elected President.



    I'm talking public interpretation here the time of. We know things weren't as peachy as they seem but the POPULACE didn't see that at the time. Thus Bush's approval rating vs Obama's.
    Gotcha, that's a perfectly fair assessment of the situation.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Your asinine ideals keep me entertained daily.
    Really Gib; what "asinine" ideals would those be? Come and entertain us with YOUR version of ME.

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