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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by Metternich View Post
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    Try to get real about something, I know it doesn't have to be this issue but at least acknowledge to some small part of your brain that Obama literally said that his first "100 Days" (you can gasp, feint, bow down in awe right about now - I'll let you, it's a natural reaction most pseudoliberals have) would be the crowning achievement of his Presidency.

    He repeated it like mantra, every news station had their own "100 Days" section, a few others happily compared it too FDR, his YouTube channel is filled with the nonsense, everyone who stood in his path was clearly a Limbaugh Automaton or Fascist Neanderthal "Evil-Monger" (to quote Senator Reid).

    Now you turn around and say voters should ignore, forget, not only those "100 Days," but the next 100 as well? Heh, let's get real about this: voters not only can but should have an opinion on the president 6 months into his Presidency. Anything else is just delusional, self destructive, denial MSNBC spouts off. It is possible that the majority of America could somehow fathom that Obama is only mortal.
    To a certain extent, you are correct-people should have an opinion on the current state of the administration. However, just because millions of delusional and ignorant people thought that American politics would experience a complete cleansing from one administration to the next, in days, does not really mean we need to swing the complete opposite direction and call it a failure when the reality is less than the hype. Your post for the most part escapes that way of thinking, but I sense a tad bit of bias as a result of the idealistic rhetoric of Obama. The last administration is a perfect example of just how much can change from one year to the next.
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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    What is funny about the OP is they think the circumstances are the same. No sense of context whatsoever.
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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Gotta love the excuse making here by our usual suspects.
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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    President Barack Oblamea....Bush screws up the country hands it over to Oblamea then the Bush/Cheney sheeples convienently forgets about the Bush legacy as they did our country while Bush and Cheney were robbing us blind.

    Thank Goodness Oblamea became president.




    If someone has another on "ignore" how could the engage in a thread started by the ignoree?


    By default he can not see a topic, and therefore can not contribute in a substantial way.... hmmmmm....
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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    What is funny about the OP is they think the circumstances are the same. No sense of context whatsoever.
    Conditions are a bit different, but that doesn't stop Obama from being a promise breaking protector of the status quo. He and Bush are peas in a pod, doing the same exact things pretty much. I don't know if you can say one is a greater failure than the other; they're both pretty much rock bottom.
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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Conditions are a bit different, but that doesn't stop Obama from being a promise breaking protector of the status quo. He and Bush are peas in a pod, doing the same exact things pretty much. I don't know if you can say one is a greater failure than the other; they're both pretty much rock bottom.
    Possibly. The difference I think is that Obama is not as easily manipulated as Bush was. That and Obama actually has a brain. Bush is probably a decent man, but clearly not very intelligent, well, not enough to see he was getting played by people like Cheney, Armitage and Pearl to do really unethical stuff. That said, their policies for the most part are very similar if not identical.

    But others have brought up a good point. Bush didn't screw the pooch in the first 6 months of his presidency. Obama's dealing with what is essentially a ****storm. How many presidents were rated well coming right into a massive crisis? Comparatively, the dot com crash's value destruction isn't anywhere near what we are seeing now.
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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    So we should just give him a pass on his programs being a total failure?

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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    So we should just give him a pass on his programs being a total failure?



    So far, that seems to be thier plan.
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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So, in other words, despite the fact that as far as I am aware, the conclusions reached by Team B are seen as uncertain as to the level of their accuracy (I don't necessarily defend their conclusions, just that it seems awfully difficult to argue one way or another), and that there were several non-neoconservatives in the Project for the New American Century, a grand conspiracy exists? I find it funny that you highlight Powell's right hand man in the administration for proof of a unified front. The CIA is not the end-all-be-all of policy decision-making.

    Let me guess, either Adam Curtis or Anne Cahn.
    The team B conclusions were the basis for much of the arms build up during the Reagan years. Even though many of their conclusions turned out to be inaccurate. The point being that they disagreed with the CIA assessment then they ran counter-intelligence against the CIA to dispute the NIE. Even though the CIA is not the end-all-be-all their original assessment ended up being correct. Several members of the Bush administration were apart of the Project for the New American Century. They laid out what their plans were and 2 of the 3 countries they named we are currently bogged down in. What other way could you read their manifesto? They made it quite clear what they wanted.

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    Re: After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Yes...because "WMD" was not the factor involved. General Zinni was skeptical about WMD when all the targets in Iraq given to him in 1998 were non WMD sites. No intel proved that he got rid of them. No intel proved that he had them. I keep telling people this. 12 years of containing and maintaining the dictator, which was exactly what we were criticized for during the Cold War. With Bin Laden using the escallating troops and the "starving children of Iraq" as an excuse for 9/11, something had to be done to correct our solutions to the Middle East's disfunctions. Leaving him alone to disrupt the region was not going to happen. Continuing the UN mission, no matter how much of a burden it was to us, wasn't going to happen forever. And ignoring the very real grievances these terrorists have was only going to exponentially create more violence upon Americans.

    It was time.
    Actually Bin Laden was upset about a number of things including our abandonment of aghanistan after we secretly funnelled arms to the Afghans during the 80s. Saddam was contained he was no longer a threat to his neighbors after we slapped him down over Kuwait and he might have been taken out in a coup by his own sons. When the inspectors were let back in after Bush's ultimatem they weren't finding anything no matter what tricks the inspectors used to fool sadam there just wasn't anything. Before letting the inspectors finish their job we told them to leave and invaded.

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