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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    I'm NOT "pitching a fit". I'm pointing out the fact that our Service Personel are now being Censored on what they can see, and hear. No amount of twisting, turning, or blurring of that fact changes what just been ordered.
    Yeah.

    So what?


    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    You seem to think it's "OK" to limit the information our Military can receive. I don't.
    If they don't like it, they can opt out at the end of their enlistment.

    But it's perfectly okay, they're not free-as-you please civillians.

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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    I'm pointing out the fact that our Service Personel are now being Censored on what they can see, and hear.

    You seem to think it's "OK" to limit the information our Military can receive. I don't.
    Thus far, you have merely bitched about falsehoods. Like I have stated enough times......military personnel view the international and national news from CNN to FOX to ABC daily in the mess halls. They receive letters and care packages. They make phone calls. What exactly is limited? Is your..... "censored on what they can see and hear"... argument seriously based on the fact that they can't connect to YouTube or to sites known to carry viruses?

    1) You are ranting over nothing. And the fact that you ignore that this bandwidth and security control has been going on since 2004 so that you can state...... "now being censored".......places Obama as your true heart felt primary with the troops as secondary. Surely someone like you would have bitched about this last year?

    2) You aren't pointing out anything but a falsehood and you have found yourself traveled too far down this rediculous path to save any face.

    For someone who claims to care about the troop's "freedom" you sure come off as if you could care less about the security that keeps them alive. Perhaps complianing that they can't launch flairs at night or whenever they wish is yet another militaristic or "Obama" way of denying them their freedom? Maybe you should find a nobler way to bash the current President.
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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Actually, it's the serviceman's job to do and die, if necessary. My job was to push a submarine around.

    Someone else steered.

    Period.

    That was what we had to do.

    If that meant getting us close enough to kill a soviet carrier and leaving us with zero chance of escape, that wasn't my concern.

    If a company of soldiers is ordered to hold a position at all costs, that means exactly what it says...the high command has written you off and you're being sacrificed for some hirer strategic goal. Your bad luck, follow the friggin' orders.

    Welcome to the military. It's about the objective, not you.

    Understood... My first ship was the USS Dixon AS37. We serviced the Fast Attack Subs... We made sure you "Bubble-Heads" got Home SAFE.

    And,,,NEVER "Censored" what you could hear, or see.

    Take care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Thus far, you have merely bitched about falsehoods. Like I have stated enough times......military personnel view the international and national news from CNN to FOX to ABC daily in the mess halls. They receive letters and care packages. They make phone calls. What exactly is limited? Is your..... "censored on what they can see and hear"... argument seriously based on the fact that they can't connect to YouTube or to sites known to carry viruses?

    1) You are ranting over nothing. And the fact that you ignore that this bandwidth and security control has been going on since 2004 so that you can state...... "now being censored".......places Obama as your true heart felt primary with the troops as secondary. Surely someone like you would have bitched about this last year?

    2) You aren't pointing out anything but a falsehood and you have found yourself traveled too far down this rediculous path to save any face.

    For someone who claims to care about the troop's "freedom" you sure come off as if you could care less about the security that keeps them alive. Perhaps complianing that they can't launch flairs at night or whenever they wish is yet another militaristic or "Obama" way of denying them their freedom? Maybe you should find a nobler way to bash the current President.
    Yeah,,,I'm "bitching" about our Troops being Censored by this Administration on what they can see, and hear...You, on the other hand,,,have taken the position of defending this action.

    How "noble" of you.

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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    [COLOR="Navy"]Yeah,,,I'm "bitching" about our Troops being Censored by this Administration on what they can see, and hear...
    And here is your obsessive falsehood. You have yet to offer anything that suggests that their information is censored nor have you acknowledged that "this" administration had done exactly what the last one did...staye out of military affairs and allowed the military to control their security and networks. Once again, the troops have access to.....


    1) ABC, FOX, CNN, ESPN, etc. - Television & Internet

    2) Letters

    3) Care packages

    4) Internet - Any site except blogs, forums, and live streaming videos

    It is obvious to all us that your concern focuses on bashing politicians...not voicing for some "injustice" upon our troops (which simply does not exist). And what makes you any different from those politicians who use the troops to boost their popularities or sell their ideas?

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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    And here is your obsessive falsehood. You have yet to offer anything that suggests that their information is censored nor have you acknowledged that "this" administration had done exactly what the last one did...staye out of military affairs and allowed the military to control their security and networks. Once again, the troops have access to.....


    1) ABC, FOX, CNN, ESPN, etc. - Television & Internet

    2) Letters

    3) Care packages

    4) Internet - Any site except blogs, forums, and live streaming videos

    It is obvious to all us that your concern focuses on bashing politicians...not voicing for some "injustice" upon our troops (which simply does not exist). And what makes you any different from those politicians who use the troops to boost their popularities or sell their ideas?
    You still Censor my responses,,,as you defend the Censorship of this Administration. You've now advanced from being just tacky, to anal-retentive Sarge.

    As for the "existence" of Censorship in action, here it is again.


    The Marines say they will issue waivers to the Web 2.0 blockade, if a “mission critical need” can be proven. And they will continue to allow access to the military’s internal “SNS-like services.” But for most members of the Corps, access to the real, public social networks is now shut off for the next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    The Marines say they will issue waivers to the Web 2.0 blockade, if a “mission critical need” can be proven. And they will continue to allow access to the military’s internal “SNS-like services.” But for most members of the Corps, access to the real, public social networks is now shut off for the next year.
    What part of Internet viruses do you not understand? Security leaks, bandwidth management, live streaming videos, etc. These are legitimate issues that have been issues for years and years....even under the magnificent Republican President Bush! Once again...news channels are available in the mess halls. Letters and phone calls remain. The Internet continues to be available. You have yet to offer anything that suggests that our troops are being kept in the dark about anything. Your ideas of "censorship" continue to be in stubborn error.

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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    What part of Internet viruses do you not understand? Security leaks, bandwidth management, live streaming videos, etc. These are legitimate issues that have been issues for years and years....even under the magnificent Republican President Bush! Once again...news channels are available in the mess halls. Letters and phone calls remain. The Internet continues to be available. You have yet to offer anything that suggests that our troops are being kept in the dark about anything. Your ideas of "censorship" continue to be in stubborn error.
    I "understand" that you continue to "Edit" my words...While avoiding the Truth. Yep,,,you're anal-retentive. This Administration just castrated the Corp from the real Communications Network of the "Real World",,,you continue to defend keeping our Troops being isolated,,,and denied access to what "We" have.

    I'm beginning to think of you as "Used Toilet-Paper"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    ...............This Administration just castrated the Corp from the real Communications Network of the "Real World"..........
    ....Yet, the "Real World" comes in quite clear through the televisions so where are they being censored from "Real World" information? In the fall of 2004, we had to strip the Internet from commodity areas because there were security issues and bandwidth problems. The secuirty issues existed because these NIPR (Non-secure) machines were located near SIPR (Secure) machines. It was quite easy to forget the information you were just dealing with when replying to people in the "Real World" who had questions about Iraq. These NIPR machines were re-located to Internet Cafes. However, the security issues persists. Another issue was that Marines would use thumb drives to pull music off the Internet and plug into other networks and sometimes, music and movie files comes with viruses.

    Either you honestly get this or you are stubbornly refusing to get it for favor of bashing politicians. Once again...if the Marine is getting all the "Real World" information he wants from televisions and the Internet (for many commodity areas), then where exactly is their information censored?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    ....Yet, the "Real World" comes in quite clear through the televisions so where are they being censored from "Real World" information? In the fall of 2004, we had to strip the Internet from commodity areas because there were security issues and bandwidth problems. The secuirty issues existed because these NIPR (Non-secure) machines were located near SIPR (Secure) machines. It was quite easy to forget the information you were just dealing with when replying to people in the "Real World" who had questions about Iraq. These NIPR machines were re-located to Internet Cafes. However, the security issues persists. Another issue was that Marines would use thumb drives to pull music off the Internet and plug into other networks and sometimes, music and movie files comes with viruses.

    Either you honestly get this or you are stubbornly refusing to get it for favor of bashing politicians. Once again...if the Marine is getting all the "Real World" information he wants from televisions and the Internet (for many commodity areas), then where exactly is their information censored?
    1st off,,,we can agree the "Real World" has nothing to do with T.V. And yes,,,there are major concerns pertaining to security for our people in a combat zone. Agreed...

    However,,, the idea that this Administration has "Ordered" the "Isolation" of our Military from the American Network,,,should worry you.

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