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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    It's not partisan. It's knee jerk reaction to something that is not an issue. "Control" of a Marine's life is not the issue. He can receive news information from plenty of authorized web sites, televisions in messhalls, care packages, letters, and phone calls. But that Marine will be controlled when it comes to eating up bandwidth, passing unauthorized information, and risking networks to viruses. And when it comes to the Internet cafes over there, the more bandwidth the individual uses, to down load some song or video or to watch YouTube, the less bandwidth everyone else in that network has.

    Welcome to the 21st century.
    You just repeated what i said in a long winded fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    The military didn't have to content with the Internet during Vietnam. It's not about receiving information. CNN, ABC, FOX and what ever else news agency is open from border to border. News channels are broadcasted in the mess halls on the bases in Iraq. There is also letters and phone calls if one needs to know what arcade game just got placed in the local ice cream parlor back home. The problem with the Internet is that information also goes out and this is why blog sites and sites with open discussions (debatepoliticis.com) is banned from government and military networks.

    Most sensitive and classified information gets passed without the guilty even aware they did it.......

    My information + another guys information in another unit = intel.
    It's easy enough to set up Centers where you can still have access to a "Free and Open Internet",,,in Receiving ALL Sites. And control all OUT-GOING traffic.

    This is Censorship in my opinion.

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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    It's not partisan. It's knee jerk reaction to something that is not an issue. "Control" of a Marine's life is not the issue. He can receive news information from plenty of authorized web sites, televisions in messhalls, care packages, letters, and phone calls. But that Marine will be controlled when it comes to eating up bandwidth, passing unauthorized information, and risking networks to viruses. And when it comes to the Internet cafes over there, the more bandwidth the individual uses, to down load some song or video or to watch YouTube, the less bandwidth everyone else in that network has.

    Welcome to the 21st century.
    If I am reading this right, its just going to be a ban on the Marine Corps operating networks. They aren't banning personell from using Facebook/Twitter etc... on their personal computers.
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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    It's not partisan. It's knee jerk reaction to something that is not an issue. "Control" of a Marine's life is not the issue. He can receive news information from plenty of authorized web sites, televisions in messhalls, care packages, letters, and phone calls. But that Marine will be controlled when it comes to eating up bandwidth, passing unauthorized information, and risking networks to viruses. And when it comes to the Internet cafes over there, the more bandwidth the individual uses, to down load some song or video or to watch YouTube, the less bandwidth everyone else in that network has.

    Welcome to the 21st century.

    OHHH...There's that nasty little Censorship streak again Sarge. When you say : He can receive news information from plenty of authorized web sites, we part Company.

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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    You've decided that The Corp has a "Right" to control every minute, of everyday of a Marines Life,,,and what he or she can see and hear. I'm for keeping the Troops Safe, and Free.

    If that's being "Partisan",,,yep, I am.
    Please stop putting words in my mouth.

    No, I have decided that the Corps has the right and obligation to keep the troops as safe as possible.

    Are you familiar with the 'social' sites mentioned? How they work? What type of immediate personal information is shared and decimated? You're basically allowing people to know what you're doing, feeling, thinking at any given moment.

    Banning the specific sites mentioned in the article makes perfect sense.

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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    What absolutely cracks me up is the hyper-partisan rants and raves about this one without fully researching the issue. These sites were already filtered out, and do NOT affect their personal pcs. So whats the problem.

    *snip*
    However, the service's computer network already effectively blocks users from reaching social networks, officials said. Marine officials said part of the reason for the new ban was to set up a special waiver system that govern access for Marines who need to reach the sites as part of their duties.

    Pentagon to evaluate online social networking - Yahoo! News
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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    It's easy enough to set up Centers where you can still have access to a "Free and Open Internet",,,in Receiving ALL Sites. And control all OUT-GOING traffic.

    This is Censorship in my opinion.
    Damn dude. It's exactly what it is. So what? This isn't your house where some Nazi attired guard monitors your Internet activity. This is the military in a combat environment full of sensitive information at combat with the international global spanning Internet. Your damn right its censorship.

    You don't seem to get what I am stating when I refer to "bandwidth." If 40guys want to get on a computer in one of the Internet Cafes on Al-Asad just to read his e-mails and pass some back, he must contend with the 10 others who are eating away bandwidth just to download the new Britney CD or latest celebrity XXX video, or to simply watch their missed episode of iCarly on the Disney Channel. On another note, what good does it do the military if they have investigate a case (every shooting requires one), while the entire world is making assumptions, criticisms, and conclusions based off of some idiots idea of a cool video to place on YouTube?

    You are making an issue out of nothing and you are disregarding the ramifications of "open and free" in a military war zone. Consider this very real scenario.....

    Two Marines wearing Dress Blues approach a strangers house. They knock on the door. They begin to inform the family inside that their son has died in the line of duty while serving his country with great bravery and integrity. Before they can finish, the bitter family replies that they already know because their neighbor got an e-mail from a friend or they watched their son die on YouTube in an IED attack.
    ...this is not the way to find this out. In fact, it is disgusting. For the Marines, their is a policy in place. When a Marine in the unit dies, the Internet connection for that unit is shut down until the military in CONUS can knock on the door to prevent this very real thing from happening again.

    This "censorship" is not about the liberal dream of utopia. It is about dealing with a very real and dangerous problem in order to save American lives in a combat zone while at the same time also allowing the military to honor their dead appropriately.

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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    OHHH...There's that nasty little Censorship streak again Sarge. When you say : He can receive news information from plenty of authorized web sites, we part Company.
    You parted company a long time ago when you placed the safety and security of our troops aside in order to rant and rave about liberal dreams and utopian prescriptions as if this was about your neighborhood in Idaho.

    Did you know that certain clothing is also not authorized in the military? There are many things that are and are not authorized in the military. for example, I can't wear a shirt with a Swastika on it nor can I wear by Cammie blouse while wearing Dress Blue Trousers. Nor can I wear Nikes in uniform. That's why they call it a military. We exist so that the civilian can do whatever he/she pleases. For someone that served before, you sure have a bitter outlook as to what the military is supposed to be.
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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeTh!nk3r View Post
    What absolutely cracks me up is the hyper-partisan rants and raves about this one without fully researching the issue. These sites were already filtered out, and do NOT affect their personal pcs. So whats the problem.

    *snip*
    So now we have a Liberal, and a Moderate defending a "Filtered (Censored) Marine Corp". So much for Free Speech, and Equal Rights in Access. For the very People that're laying their Life on the Line for ALL OF US.

    So,,, "What's the Problem"?

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    Re: Marines Ban "Selected" Websites....

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    For the very People that're laying their Life on the Line for ALL OF US.

    So,,, "What's the Problem"?
    So.....it's cool for them to lay their lives on the line for you just as long as no precautions to keep them safe from leaked information is in effect?

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