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    Re: Republican Attacks FISHY White House Request

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
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    CBO/Elmendorf's CRITICAL testimony before Baucus' GATEWAY committee (Senate Finance), July 16, elicited by questioning from Kent Conrad (hardly a Mitch McConnell), the single most important day/moment so far in the young Obama presidency, the very instant when CBO testified that the COST CURVE under Waxman/Rangel, rather than reversing its trajectory as required to justify/rationalize Obama's most basic ambitions instead rather steepens its assent SIGNIFICANTLY

    emphases and underscores mine

    CBO Sees No Net Federal Cost Savings in Dem Health Plans - The Note

    Here's a blow to President Obama and Democrats pressing health care reform.

    One of the main arguments made by the President and others for investing in health reform now is that it will save the federal government money in the long run by containing costs.

    Turns out that may not be the case, according to Doug Elmendorf, director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

    Answering questions from Democrat Kent Conrad of North Dakota at a hearing of the Senate Budget Committee today, Elmendorf said CBO does not see health care cost savings in either of the partisan Democratic bills currently in Congress.

    Conrad: Dr. Elmendorf, I am going to really put you on the spot because we are in the middle of this health care debate, but it is critically important that we get this right. Everyone has said, virtually everyone, that bending the cost curve over time is critically important and one of the key goals of this entire effort. From what you have seen from the products of the committees that have reported, do you see a successful effort being mounted to bend the long-term cost curve?

    Elmendorf: No, Mr. Chairman. In the legislation that has been reported we do not see the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount. And on the contrary, the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs.
    The HC reform plan is a work in progress so CBO has no final product to look at yet. It can be changed but it will not be killed this time!...Bank on it!

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    Re: Republican Attacks FISHY White House Request

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    your thinking is immature, you are not serious
    Ah...There we go...The old (discredited) Karl Rove tactic of always resort to personal attack. It didn't work last November when you tried to convince us that Obama "Palled around with terrorists".....& it won't work now. The country has moved beyond your party's slash & burn, scare tactics.
    (How you guys been doing with elections in the last 4 years?)

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    Re: Republican Attacks FISHY White House Request

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    The HC reform plan is a work in progress so CBO has no final product to look at yet. It can be changed but it will not be killed this time!...Bank on it!
    tell it to mr elmendorf and mr baucus

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    Re: Republican Attacks FISHY White House Request

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Ah...There we go...The old (discredited) Karl Rove tactic of always resort to personal attack. It didn't work last November when you tried to convince us that Obama "Palled around with terrorists".....& it won't work now. The country has moved beyond your party's slash & burn, scare tactics.
    (How you guys been doing with elections in the last 4 years?)
    no, sir, The perpetually upright Prof does not stoop to personal aspersions

    your claim that my genuine, heartfelt concerns with what's going on in washington are the mere empty mouthings of statefarm insurance or what you presume (LOLOL!) to be my party are not serious

    ie, they're half baked, or immature

    1. waxman/rangel FINES folks caught uninsured

    2. it forces our friends to purchase coverage, hardly the help they were promised

    3. waxman/rangel contains massive cuts to medicare and medicaid

    4. it covers illegals

    5. it changes the rules concerning funding abortion

    6. its numbers are not sustainable, ie, the COST CURVE

    7. it looks to make ruthlessly pragmatic savings in the areas of END OF LIFE expenses

    8. the prez hasn't read it, his press secty said the prez has no intention of reading it

    9. the prez himself says it's foot-in-the-door to down-the-road nationalization

    10. the senate version looks to tax med benefits, just like john mccain

    my sentiments are sincere, i am a serious person

    sorry

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    Re: Republican Attacks FISHY White House Request

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no, sir, The perpetually upright Prof does not stoop to personal aspersions

    your claim that my genuine, heartfelt concerns with what's going on in washington are the mere empty mouthings of statefarm insurance or what you presume (LOLOL!) to be my party are not serious

    ie, they're half baked, or immature

    1. waxman/rangel FINES folks caught uninsured

    2. it forces our friends to purchase coverage, hardly the help they were promised

    3. waxman/rangel contains massive cuts to medicare and medicaid

    4. it covers illegals

    5. it changes the rules concerning funding abortion

    6. its numbers are not sustainable, ie, the COST CURVE

    7. it looks to make ruthlessly pragmatic savings in the areas of END OF LIFE expenses

    8. the prez hasn't read it, his press secty said the prez has no intention of reading it

    9. the prez himself says it's foot-in-the-door to down-the-road nationalization

    10. the senate version looks to tax med benefits, just like john mccain

    my sentiments are sincere, i am a serious person

    sorry
    You are newer here than I am but, since your concerns appear to be Fox News/RNC canned talking points, I'd be interested in any links you could provide to any debate forum where, during the Bush Presidency you voiced similar strong fiscal or other concerns.
    (I may be wrong & will be glad to retract my words....but have the feeling that your concerns ONLY arise when there is a Democrat in the White House)
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-07-09 at 07:37 PM.

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    Re: Republican Attacks FISHY White House Request

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You are newer here than I am but, since your concerns appear to be Fox News/RNC canned talking points, I'd be interested in any links you could provide to any debate forum where, during the Bush Presidency you voiced similar strong fiscal or other concerns.
    (I may be wrong & will be glad to retract my words....but have the feeling that your concerns ONLY arise when there is a Democrat in the White House)
    how utterly unserious

    i provided ten links concerning the issues in question

    you have brought nothing except empty allegations about paid ops, boogiemen wearing michael steele masks and guarantees of ironclad proof

    LOLOL!

    once more:

    1. waxman/rangel FINES folks caught uninsured

    2. it forces our friends to purchase coverage, hardly the help they were promised

    3. waxman/rangel contains massive cuts to medicare and medicaid

    4. it covers illegals

    5. it changes the rules concerning funding abortion

    6. its numbers are not sustainable, ie, the COST CURVE

    7. it looks to make ruthlessly pragmatic savings in the areas of END OF LIFE expenses

    8. the prez hasn't read it, his press secty said the prez has no intention of reading it

    9. the prez himself says it's foot-in-the-door to down-the-road nationalization

    10. the senate version looks to tax med benefits, just like john mccain

    in the name of self respect, grow up

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    Re: Republican Attacks FISHY White House Request

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505
    You are newer here than I am but, since your concerns appear to be Fox News/RNC canned talking points, I'd be interested in any links you could provide to any debate forum where, during the Bush Presidency you voiced similar strong fiscal or other concerns.
    (I may be wrong & will be glad to retract my words....but have the feeling that your concerns ONLY arise when there is a Democrat in the White House)
    Many conservatives were unhappy with Bush as well. He did not have a 22% approval rating because only 22% of Americans were conservative. The right did protest Bush, actually. The number is simply growing rapidly as people protest Obama (which seems logical considering he is much more radical in his spending).

    Here are 2 reasons why Obama is seeing more protest from conservatives than Bush:

    1. Obama's spending dwarfs the spending that occured under Bush.
    2. It takes time for people to get angry enough to protest. Bush's spending set of a spark, and Obama's spending grew that spark into a fire.

    What I would like to ask is why are the liberals who protested Bush not protesting Obama? One of the biggest complaints against Bush was how he increased the national debt. Yet Obama is doing the same thing. The question can be asked of both sides.

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    Re: Republican Attacks FISHY White House Request

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Many conservatives were unhappy with Bush as well. He did not have a 22% approval rating because only 22% of Americans were conservative. The right did protest Bush, actually. The number is simply growing rapidly as people protest Obama (which seems logical considering he is much more radical in his spending).

    Here are 2 reasons why Obama is seeing more protest from conservatives than Bush:

    1. Obama's spending dwarfs the spending that occured under Bush.
    2. It takes time for people to get angry enough to protest. Bush's spending set of a spark, and Obama's spending grew that spark into a fire.

    What I would like to ask is why are the liberals who protested Bush not protesting Obama? One of the biggest complaints against Bush was how he increased the national debt. Yet Obama is doing the same thing. The question can be asked of both sides.
    Fair question & if given some time I would be glad to post links to many scathing arguments I have posted against many of Obma's policies (Keeping Geithner at Treasury, not prosecuting people for torture & political firing, etc)
    The fact that Obama's spending is high is no surprise to anyone. It was get him elected President & it is investing in America's infrastructure (rather than Exxon-Mobil & Haliburton or paying bribes to Iraqi leaders.) & was necessitated by bringing us to near depression.
    Can you link to any anti-Bush or anti-Repub posts you made anywhere?
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    Re: Republican Attacks FISHY White House Request

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    I agree with trying to stamp out the lies about the health care reform. It's the very strategy of the right here. Much of what has been disseminated (i.e. it's socialist, rationing, death of elderly, etc) are lies. People need to make up their mind on this based on facts and the right don't seem to want to use facts.
    So you're saying that the right is as bad as the left when it comes to honesty?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Republican Attacks FISHY White House Request

    OK...Well within the promised time period (7 days) here is the first part of my proof: (there will be more)

    (I kept my part of the bargain now it's time for you (Celticlord) to keep yours by acknowledging she was a Republican operative attempting to deceive the public by "Posing" as just an unaffiliated, concerned citizen)

    I suggest that this first bit of hard evidence I linked to should suffice to remove this thread from Conspiracy Theories & put it in political scandals dujour as promised in a mod PM.

    Think Progress Woman Who Said She Was ‘Just A Mom’ At Town Hall Meeting Is Exposed As A Republican Operative.
    Think Progress Woman Who Said She Was ‘Just A Mom’ At Town Hall Meeting Is Exposed As A Republican Operative
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