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Blackwater founder implicated in murder

DeeJayH said:
with a quick google search we can find cases of a member of every branch of the military commiting manslaughter. should we condemn the entire military?
in every major city there can easily be found a case of a cop committing manslaughter. do we condemn the entire police force?

Sole exception would be L.A. where we all now know that promotions are given out based on the number of clean shootings of minorities the white cop has:roll:
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What is your point? Reverend made it seem as though there were a bunch of haters in this thread. I pointed out there appeared to be only one AND noted, solely as a matter of fact, that Blackwater did not have a clean record. Blackwater is a significantly smaller company than every branch of government, wouldn't you say? :roll: Thus, your comparison is entirely inadequate.
 
GySgt said:
It's because it was associated to the Bush regime. Nothing more. People are too busy criticizing symptoms. And this goes for all things. Even terrorism. Even criticizing Bush for what is really a Washington problem shows a degree of ignorance from those merely concerned with political bashing.
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yeah, it was rather retorical... I was a contractor under Clinton watch. way before it was cool. :mrgreen:
 
Iraqis seek justice against Blackwater boss accused of 'crusade to wipe out Muslims'

The boss of a private American security firm under investigation for murdering civilians in Iraq has been accused in court papers of seeking to wipe out Muslims.

Blackwater founder Erik Prince ‘views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe,’ according to a former employee.

As legal procedings began. Iraqi relatives of Blackwater's alleged victims expressed hope they could take the company to court in the US.
They have directed an American legal team to make an attempt.

Farid Walid, who was shot in Nisour Square two years ago during a massacre that killed 17 Iraqis, told The Times: 'Everybody here knows of cases where Blackwater guards shot innocent people without a second thought.

'They are a symbol of the occupation. Nobody will forget. But Iraqis might think at least a little differently of America if the killers are put in prison.'

Umm Sajjad, whose husband was allegedly shot by Blackwater guards, added: '“I was told that there was no exchange of fire or any other reason to provoke them to shoot at my husband and his colleagues.
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One, an employee for four years, claimed Prince encouraged his staff ‘to take every available opportunity to murder Iraqis.’
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Iraqis seek justice against Blackwater boss accused of 'crusade to wipe out Muslims' | Mail Online

Here is to hoping Iraqis do get justice against such filth
 
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Blackwater Founder Implicated in Murder
A former Blackwater employee and an ex-US Marine who has worked as a security operative for the company have made a series of explosive allegations in sworn statements filed on August 3 in federal court in Virginia. The two men claim that the company's owner, Erik Prince, may have murdered or facilitated the murder of individuals who were cooperating with federal authorities investigating the company. The former employee also alleges that Prince "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe," and that Prince's companies "encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life."
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aps said:
I was dying to read the John Doe statements. I have found them. The first one personally witnessed some of the events. Sorry, but that ain't hearsay.


http://ccrjustice.org/files/8 03 09 Opposition to Motion to Dismiss Ex G.pdf

http://ccrjustice.org/files/8 03 09 Opposition to Motion to Dismiss Ex H.pdf
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I don't understand what you're saying. Nobody is claiming that the entirety of the statements are hearsay. I think it's completely plausible that excessive force was frequently used, that illegal weapons were used, etc. What I took issue with was the focus of this thread - the claim that the guy who runs blackwater had someone murdered. There's absolutely no non-hearsay evidence to support that claim.

Devil505 said:
Do a net search yourself. Just type in Dick Cheney's Lies
,,,but be prepared to spend all weekend reading them.
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Sick response bro.
 
WillRockwell said:
You are defending Blackwater? Sweet:shoot:catapult::gunner::blastem:
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He's saying the evidence is scant. In a free society where the rule of law, free inquiry, rational thought, and the concept of being innocent until proven guilty are held in high regard, it's a perfectly rational, if not necessary, statement to make.

But, as you've shown time and again that you care little for any of those things, it's not surprising that you automatically equate it with "defending" Blackwater in some moral sense. That's the kind of thinking found among the worst of totalitarians.
 
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Laila said:
Here is to hoping Iraqis do get justice against such filth
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Yeah…never mind a fair trial by jury and innocent until proven guilty and all that nonsense, just lynch the dirty SOBs. Especially since Westerners must be held to a much higher standard.

Meanwhile, it is perfectly understandable when Muslims lop off the heads of kafir non-Muslims they tortured first while hollering Allahu Ackbar because after all they are just emulating their holy Prophet Muhammad and anyway they are from the third world, thus they can’t be held to the same standard.
 
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Turbeaux said:
Yeah…never mind a fair trial by jury and innocent until proven guilty and all that nonsense, just lynch the dirty SOBs. Especially since Westerners must be held to a much higher standard.
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I believe she said she wanted justice, which would involve a trial by a jury of his peers, due process, and whatnot.
Turbeaux said:
Meanwhile, it is perfectly understandable when Muslims lop off the heads of kafir non-Muslims they tortured first while hollering Allahu Ackbar because after all they are just emulating their holy Prophet Muhammad and anyway they are from the third world, thus they can’t be held to the same standard.
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Is there a point to this rambling nonsense somewhere?
 
Harshaw said:
He's saying the evidence is scant. In a free society where the rule of law, free inquiry, rational thought, and the concept of being innocent until proven guilty are held in high regard, it's a perfectly rational, if not necessary, statement to make.

But, as you've shown time and again that you care little for any of those things, it's not surprising that you automatically equate it with "defending" Blackwater in some moral sense. That's the kind of thinking found among the worst of totalitarians.
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I am defending Blackwater. I have trained with, been to thier compound, and know a few still active with the company. They are all former military and honorable men.

I find this slander by the a selevt few on the left abhorrent and distasteful. If they want to know how to critisize the contracting industry they need to adopt gunny's reasone and well thought out post. and can it with the insulting ignorant liberal talking points attacking veterans who work for contractors.
 
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Coronado said:
I believe she said she wanted justice, which would involve a trial by a jury of his peers, due process, and whatnot.

Is there a point to this rambling nonsense somewhere?
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Just don't bother with that poster. He really is in a world of his own.
 
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Turbeaux said:
Wow...thenation.com...the official Marxist publication of America. Couldn't you find a more fair and balanced source?
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.................. Need some Wahhh!burgers to go with your frenchCries?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I am defending Blackwater. I have trained with, been to thier compound, and know a few still active with the company. They are all former military and honorable men.

I find this slander by the a selevt few on the left abhorrent and distasteful. If they want to know how to critisize the contracting industry they need to adopt gunny's reasone and well thought out post. and can it with the insulting ignorant liberal talking points attacking veterans who work for contractors.
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It is Honorable men who are testifying in court then wouldn't you agree?..
Being ex-soldiers and all......they are still capable of speaking the truth aren't they?
 
goldendog said:
It is Honorable men who are testifying in court then wouldn't you agree?..
Being ex-soldiers and all......they are still capable of speaking the truth aren't they?
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I've seen you attack the swift boat vets. 260 honorable men, vs. 1


you fool no one.
 
RightinNYC said:
I don't understand what you're saying. Nobody is claiming that the entirety of the statements are hearsay. I think it's completely plausible that excessive force was frequently used, that illegal weapons were used, etc. What I took issue with was the focus of this thread - the claim that the guy who runs blackwater had someone murdered. There's absolutely no non-hearsay evidence to support that claim.
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Okay, then we agree. :2wave:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I am defending Blackwater. I have trained with, been to thier compound, and know a few still active with the company. They are all former military and honorable men.

I find this slander by the a selevt few on the left abhorrent and distasteful. If they want to know how to critisize the contracting industry they need to adopt gunny's reasone and well thought out post. and can it with the insulting ignorant liberal talking points attacking veterans who work for contractors.
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One of these veterans is the one who wrote a statement making harsh allegations against Blackwater. If one sides with his story, it's slandering other veterans?
 
aps said:
One of these veterans is the one who wrote a statement making harsh allegations against Blackwater. If one sides with his story, it's slandering other veterans?
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If one attacks all of blackwater, based on the statements of 1 veteran, then what do you think?


I think non vets "taking sides" because they do not like a particular company, reaks of something not so honorable to me.....


Gunny, is no fan of PMC's but I view his position as a respectable and non agendad position on the whole issue,.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I've seen you attack the swift boat vets. 260 honorable men, vs. 1


you fool no one.
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You've seen no such thing but now that you mention it Swiftboat vets and the people that fund them are disgusting..they slander people with lies and are funded by political opportunists.

I assume you support them and what they have done in the past.
 
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goldendog said:
You've seen no such thing but now that you mention it Swiftboat vets and the people that fund them are disgusting..they slander people with lies and are funded by political opportunists.

I assume you support them and what they have done in the past.
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I don't call people who did something you yourself were unwilling to do as "disgusting", for one....


so is this veteran attacking blackwater also disgusting to you? :roll:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
If one attacks all of blackwater, based on the statements of 1 veteran, then what do you think?
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I have said it before. Blackwater doesn't have a flawless history. Rather, what this one veteran says lines up with the admissions of guilt by the former Blackwater employees. Neither of us knows whether slander has occurred.


I think non vets "taking sides" because they do not like a particular company, reaks of something not so honorable to me.....
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My only thing is that when a veteran is put on trial, he/she doesn't go before a jury made up of only veterans. Non-veterans can have opinions. You can choose to ignore those opinions.


Gunny, is no fan of PMC's but I view his position as a respectable and non agendad position on the whole issue,.
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I can understand that.
 
Is it too much to ask that, rather than slandering people based on anonymous allegations, we wait for this complainant to have his day in court?

Jeeze.

I never realized there were so many people who didn't understand how our concept of civil justice works.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I don't call people who did something you yourself were unwilling to do as "disgusting", for one....


so is this veteran attacking blackwater also disgusting to you? :roll:
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The only thing that would make me thing that the person that is testifying is not honorable is if it comes out that he is lying under oath.

Has that happened yet? Until that happens he is just as honorable as any other vet. If blackwater is guilty then so be it.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Is it too much to ask that, rather than slandering people based on anonymous allegations, we wait for this complainant to have his day in court?

Jeeze.

I never realized there were so many people who didn't understand how our concept of civil justice works.
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I understand how our civil justice system works. For me, I just like to comment on sensational cases such as this. Reading the filings that I have been able to read--it's fascinating!
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I am defending Blackwater. I have trained with, been to thier compound, and know a few still active with the company. They are all former military and honorable men.

I find this slander by the a selevt few on the left abhorrent and distasteful. If they want to know how to critisize the contracting industry they need to adopt gunny's reasone and well thought out post. and can it with the insulting ignorant liberal talking points attacking veterans who work for contractors.
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I call BS on this. Even if you have "trained with, been to thier compound, and know a few still active " you would not be accepting of murder and genocide just to "support the team". How are gunmen who use exploding ammunition against women and children "honorable men"?
 
aps said:
I understand how our civil justice system works. For me, I just like to comment on sensational cases such as this. Reading the filings that I have been able to read--it's fascinating!
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Oh, Aps, you aren't the one pretending you're a judge/jury in possession of all the evidence. There are a couple of other posters on this thread that have already adjudicated this case in a criminal court inside their heads because it fits their preconceived biases.
 
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