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    Re: Blackwater founder implicated in murder

    I always get a kick out of this. Everyone seems to want to criticize Blackwater and to call them "was profiteers" or "murderers." This is too simple. The fact is that any organization placed in a situation they do not belong will trip and stumble all over the place. And it has been happening for 19 years. Consider this.....

    1) We had the world's greatest intelligence agency for decades when all it had to do was focus on a red enemy behind an Iron Curtain. But when that wall came down in '89, it was left disorganized and confused about the world that emerged. It would be easy to blame the CIA for not predicting 9/11 (which plenty do), but the truth is that even the great CIA fell victim to the politicians sense that "our wars were over."

    2) Enter the grand idea to dwindle the numbers of our military under President Bush (Dad). And with the war gamer's wet dream of the Gulf War (the "Drive-by" War), the overwhelming idea throughout Washington was that our future wars were all going to be determined by technology alone with the barest minimum of troops on the ground. The rediculous and stubborn idea that stripping our troop strength was perfectly fine as long as a smart bomb replaced a hundred troops.

    3) But even as these draw downs in numbers continued, the missions grew. From Somalia, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Bosnia, Kosovo, Indonesia, etc., the military found itself dropped into UN & NATO humanitarian and policing missions it was ill equipped, under funded, and ill trained for. It was like dropping a constructionist of homes onto a river bank and telling him to build a damn. With troops spread thin and learning in the fire, something had to be done....

    4) The idea of privatization took a front row seat. Civilian organizations that offerred supplies and support began to be introduced as mission accomplishment factors. To make matters worse, the idea of the "non-lethal" weapon found itself to President Clinton's ear and the Defense Industry was tasked to build impractical weapons. With the Defense Industry working overtime to produce fancy toys (with China being the big bad boogeyman to prepare for in Washington), now they were developing guns that shot nets and bean bags.

    5) In 2003, the average American citizen was caught off guard as they complained about the troop entering Iraq with NBC suits that needed duct tape to seal the tears, the lack of body armor to preserve life, weapons that were models used in Vietnam, and helicopters that carried troops over the jungles of Vietnam. Somehow, this problem developed the day President Bush (Son) was elected. But President Bush and his court idiot Rumsfeld were big fans of privatization and technology. "Shock and Awe" was supposed to be the Gulf War Part 2 while the barest of troops walked in and took prisoners. For 10 years (1993~2003) civilian organizations took the place of military personel that were asked to leave service to accomadate the politicians idea of what our military was supposed to look like in the post Cold War. It culminated and resulted into an American military running out of ammo and food just north of An Nazariya leaving an airwing Colonel in Kuwait to forceably take supplies from civilian companies, which would not cross the line to the war zone, as they frantically waved their contracts about and made pointless formal complaints to people who patted them on their backs and still wrote their checks.

    6) But though this contractor's bare minimum idea was typical of the 1990s it was disgusting in 2003. Worse, for Iraq and Afghanistan, President Bush changed the rules. Now, not only did the American troop have to rely upon untrained civilians to provide them their support, they also had to figure out if that bearded trigger happy idiot in blue jeans and Oakleys, who was guarding contractors in a target area, was a good guy or a bad guy. So many stupid acts were attributed to the military by the irresponsible media of all nations. So many military resources were taken out of mission to rush to the needs of Blackwater guards who fell under attack or needed someone to make sense of some confusing firefight that just took place.


    The irony here (if lost over the years) is the money. As far back as 1990, the idea to kill troop numbers and provide less funding to them in order to free money up to be used on the American society was perverted. The freed up money grew significantly and grossly and merely wound up going to private companies and contractors to fill the gaps that the American troop used to fill. Today, Congress has agreed that greater numbers are needed to meet the demands of our government and this twisted out immoral world. The equipment began to flow in 2003. The funding began to refocus on the troop as the militaries developed combat towns. Protection for the individual troop became a focus with body armor and UpArmor for HMMWVs and the MRAPP (though the F/A-22 continued to receive gross amounts of money to continue its parked mission in hangers). Now our numbers are going back up (thankfully) but with the extra garbage of expenditures towards privatization. Where exactly did our government save money by hurting the troop for so long?

    Blackwater is a result. A symptom of bad governance, bad common sense intelligence, and ignorant understandings by Republican to Democrat to Republican White House stewardship. But the average critic will continue to blame Blackwater as if they took it upon themselves to board airplanes and enter a warzone. They will continue to criticize KBR as if they floated over and set up camp without permission. All this privatization came with a price. A price these companies don't have to pay neither in treasure or blood. And none of them answer to anybody but other civilians who are also receiving inflated paychecks to simple exist where military personel used to for far less. At least the military man had (has) the UCMJ. What does the civilian contractor have?

    Criticize our stupid governance. Not the symptoms of it. Is this guy guilty of murder? Who cares. He's an individual. There's a bigger beast our society keeps ignoring.
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    Re: Blackwater founder implicated in murder

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    She's trying the case in the newspaper? Not in a Federal Court in Alexandria, Virginia. Okay. *shrugs shoulders*
    It's a common tactic in civil cases and by defense counsel to "try the case" in the court of public opinion. They're the ones who have the most to gain by swaying public sentiment to their side.

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    Re: Blackwater founder implicated in murder

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I have never read/heard of a former employee making this type of allegation before. But...okay.
    well considering the line of work they are in, he had to swing big and go for the fences
    I do not give this much credence, but if it plays out against the accused, all the better.
    if it is a blowhard bitter ex-employee making a false claim, the law can not deal harsh enough with him/her

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Blackwater founder implicated in murder

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The article states there is corroborating evidence, it is not hearsay. Face it, your precious Blackwater patriots are killers.
    you do realize that Killing is in all their recruiting literature
    It is in the contract they have to sign to work there
    and it is their ****ing job

    you know what else, Our USMC USArmy USAF & USN are filled with killers too.

    its what they are paid to do
    cant wait to see how his hyperpartisan filter twists and manipulates this reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Blackwater founder implicated in murder

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    you do realize that Killing is in all their recruiting literature
    It is in the contract they have to sign to work there
    and it is their ****ing job

    you know what else, Our USMC USArmy USAF & USN are filled with killers too.

    its what they are paid to do
    cant wait to see how his hyperpartisan filter twists and manipulates this reply
    They shouldn't be paid for it at all. We have a military for a reason. They are supposed to be our killers. Not a bunch of civilians who don't even answer to the UCMJ or strip military resources when they need rescued.

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    Re: Blackwater founder implicated in murder

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    They shouldn't be paid for it at all. We have a military for a reason. They are supposed to be our killers. Not a bunch of civilians who don't even answer to the UCMJ or strip military resources when they need rescued.
    I agree & let's not forget Blackwater is a subsidiary of the biggest war profiteer in history.... Former VP Dick Cheney, whos Haliburton gleefully profited off the bodies of dead American GI's. (How many deferments did Cheney get to weasel his way out of fighting in Vietnam?......it was 8 I think.)
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    Re: Blackwater founder implicated in murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I agree & let's not forget Blackwater is a subsidiary of the biggest war profiteer in history.... Former VP Dick Cheney, whos Haliburton gleefully profited off the bodies of dead American GI's. (How many deferments did Cheney get to weasel his way out of fighting in Vietnam?......it was 8 I think.)
    Biggest war profiteer in history? Ever heard of Lockheed & Martin? Or Boeing? So what? How many Americans have stocks and bonds in companies that provide to the military? The term "war profiteer" can be attributed to every company or individual that makes money that has anything to do with providing the military anything from boots (which are too expensive), to tanks, to MRE spoons. For some reason the war profiteer is always merely the guy people don't like.

    Our government suffers from bad decision making because it grows further and further away from military service. Blame the cowards and hippies of the Vietnam era. There dissendents find themselves above military service, yet cling to the license, wihch allows them to send them to their deaths because they voted for office. Washington is full of politicians who ran as far as they could from military service. And the last 3 presidents? Clinton dodged. Bush did as little as possible in the Air National Guard Reserve. And Obama? Well, at least he seems to understand enough to listen those who do, which is a fresh idea for the White House since 1992.

    Everything in our society has changed in regards to military service. How many actors during World War II wore a uniform or at least traveled on USO shows? Or how many Hollywood movies were released for decades after celebrating the glory of "military" service? Where are the Audy Murphys or the Bob Hopes? Even Elvis Presley wore a uniform. But after the war in Vietnam we get to be entertained with "M.A.S.H.", which showed American troops bewildered, undisciplined, and protesting their way through television seasons. Oliver Stone shows us the moral undisciplined conflict of soldeirs in Vietnam as they kill each other and murder civilians with "Platoon." We get to watch "Rambo" self destruct in an American town as he represents the wounded psychy of the poor American soldier who can't cope with war's reality. Michael J. Fox and Sean Penn struggle with the subject of the rapist soldiers in Vietnam with "Casualties of War." And today we live in a society that "Supports The Troop, But Not The War" simply because it is more politically correct than stabbing him in the back. Today we are portrayed as victims of corporate greed and deeply damaged due to our signed up for experiences.

    Our whole society is confused and behaving badly in regards to military service. From Washington to Hollywood to the media. Everyone's making money in all three areas. And none of them truly understand the guy in the boots, yet fancies themselves a voice of conscience for him.
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    Re: Blackwater founder implicated in murder

    HaHa this is funny wait so let me get this correct, a few Un Named Source are making Claims that the guy who founded Blackwater did what. Sure and the next thing you guys are going ot tell me is that we didn't go to the Moon either and we never actually drop either Atomic Bombs on Japan.

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    Re: Blackwater founder implicated in murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I agree & let's not forget Blackwater is a subsidiary of the biggest war profiteer in history.... Former VP Dick Cheney, whos Haliburton gleefully profited off the bodies of dead American GI's. (How many deferments did Cheney get to weasel his way out of fighting in Vietnam?......it was 8 I think.)



    Blackwater is a subsidary of haliburton and dick cheney?


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    Re: Blackwater founder implicated in murder

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Biggest war profiteer in history? So what?
    A VP who was instrumental in lying his country into a war, some believe strictly to make money off the bodies of our GI's??

    So What???

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