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What Obama Actually Said

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The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : What Obama Actually Said

The Drudge-linked video also includes the 2003 clip of Obama arguing that he favors a single-payer health care system to the AFL-CIO, as well as clips of Democratic Reps. Barney Frank and Jan Schakowsky arguing that offering a government-run plan (or “public option”) will lead to single-payer over time. Taken together, I think this highlights Democratic double-talk on health care. When speaking to liberal audiences who want a single-payer system, Democrats will argue to them that offering a government-run plan within a government-run exchange is the politically pragmatic way of getting to a single-payer system over time. But when addressing the general public, they talk about the government plan merely as something that will provide people with “choice” and foster “competition.” They don’t get to have it both ways.
The major flaw in the Anti-Republicans' approach to healthcare is the flaw in all their legislation--beyond a pandering to their own appetite for power, there is no consistent unifying principle. In the truest sense of the word, Dear Leader and the Anti-Republicans are decidedly and disturbingly unprincipled. They stand for nothing but themselves.

Even Slick Willie stood for something. His principles got overrun by his pecker, but at least he had them.
 
So there is no consensus in the Democratic Party about what the current health care reform effort is about. Fascinating.
 
So there is no consensus in the Democratic Party about what the current health care reform effort is about. Fascinating.
Apparently, there is a robust argument within the Anti-Republicans about how best to screw Americans out of their health care.
 
Apparently, there is a robust argument within the Anti-Republicans about how best to screw Americans out of their health care.

"Screwing Americans out of their health care" is impossible.
 
"Screwing Americans out of their health care" is impossible.
Not according to Dear Leader. Apparently, he's been plotting this for many years, as has Barney the Banking Queen and Queen Nancy.
 
Not according to Dear Leader. Apparently, he's been plotting this for many years, as has Barney the Banking Queen and Queen Nancy.

Logistically speaking you cannot draft and pass legislation which screws Americans out of health care. It is not psycho-physically-politically-socially possible. As a historical event, it cannot occur in our present time and circumstances. Medicare/Medicaid and the private sector are not good enough for abolishment of the former and de-emphasis of the latter to constitute screwing Americans out of health care.
 
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I hate to break it to everyone but there are many examples coming to light that clearly show the Fabricator Extraordinaire in Chief Obama to be the the king of all liars in political history but the sad thing is his disciples will still believe everything he says because he's their Messiah.
 
Yep it is coming to light.. BUT it has been open for those not drunk on coolaid LONG before the election...

His books were ignored, as were his speeches, he has been preaching Marxism since college.. but many failed to see it.

It is coming to light only respect to the information reaching those moderates who "don't pay much attention to politics".

Not only are people becoming aware of his intent they are also learning about progressives intent to usurp the Constitution for power. We are awake, now we've been punched squarely in the nose, and were mad as hell... so if you think we'll be intimidated by Obama's thugs from Acorn SCIU, and AFCIO you and they are DEAD wrong..

They call us an angry mob, and claim we're rude, when we are simply insulted by the strong-arm tactics solicited by the Whitehouse.... This suits us fine and exposes them for the dirty punks they are!
 
The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : What Obama Actually Said

The major flaw in the Anti-Republicans' approach to healthcare is the flaw in all their legislation--beyond a pandering to their own appetite for power, there is no consistent unifying principle. In the truest sense of the word, Dear Leader and the Anti-Republicans are decidedly and disturbingly unprincipled. They stand for nothing but themselves.

Even Slick Willie stood for something. His principles got overrun by his pecker, but at least he had them.

Thank you so much for your intelligent post. THIS is what we need, instead of the crazy stuff about Obama's birth certificate and accusations of data mining email addresses. IMHO, this is the only way to beat the Democrats - Getting the real information out there. I am happy to see that someone is doing exactly this. Well done, and keep it up. :thumbs:
 
I think the biggest flaw is yet to come. The bill doesn't kick in until 2013. When they pass--yes when--alotta folks are going to be lined up with two things on their minds: 1) free healthcare, 2) now. That's when we're going to see some pissed off folks.

I mean, how stupid is it, to make all these promises and then after the bill passes people find out that they still have to wait three more years to get it.
 
I'm in favor of the type of single payer system they have in France.

France's model healthcare system

By Paul V. Dutton | August 11, 2007

MANY advocates of a universal healthcare system in the United States look to Canada for their model. While the Canadian healthcare system has much to recommend it, there's another model that has been too long neglected. That is the healthcare system in France.

Although the French system faces many challenges, the World Health Organization rated it the best in the world in 2001 because of its universal coverage, responsive healthcare providers, patient and provider freedoms, and the health and longevity of the country's population. The United States ranked 37.

The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.

An understanding of how France came to its healthcare system would be instructive in any renewed debate in the United States.

That's because the French share Americans' distaste for restrictions on patient choice and they insist on autonomous private practitioners rather than a British-style national health service, which the French dismiss as "socialized medicine." Virtually all physicians in France participate in the nation's public health insurance, Sécurité Sociale.

Their freedoms of diagnosis and therapy are protected in ways that would make their managed-care-controlled US counterparts envious. However, the average American physician earns more than five times the average US wage while the average French physician makes only about two times the average earnings of his or her compatriots. But the lower income of French physicians is allayed by two factors. Practice liability is greatly diminished by a tort-averse legal system, and medical schools, although extremely competitive to enter, are tuition-free. Thus, French physicians enter their careers with little if any debt and pay much lower malpractice insurance premiums.​

France's model healthcare system - The Boston Globe
 
So there is no consensus in the Democratic Party about what the current health care reform effort is about. Fascinating.

Sounds like a very good reason not to pass the monstrosity, if its authors can't even agree on something as basic as what it's about. Wouldn't you agree?
 
The Healthcare debate is fundamentally flawed and needs to be redirected...

It would be completely acceptable for the states to have government (socialized) healthcare, and there have been such (failures I might add). It is COMPLETELY UN-Constitutional to even consider a helathcare system on a national level. It is NOT by even the most progressive interpretations enumerated within the constitution. Therefore any attempts to provide a "national" (socialized) system stands in direct opposition to the constitution. This is fact and not even on the table for debate.

Washington has failed us, by first failing the Constitution. The Supreme Court, Congress, and BOTH parties have both left there dirty little fingerprints at the scene of this crime against American Liberties and NONE should be left blameless, or unaccountable.

Before you read the Bill, try reading the Constitution!
 
Sounds like a very good reason not to pass the monstrosity, if its authors can't even agree on something as basic as what it's about. Wouldn't you agree?

The Messiah refused to define something as what his conception of "victory" should be in Afghanistan, does anyone seriously expent the Messiah to publicy define his goals for the confiscation of 1/6 of the American economy?
 
The Healthcare debate is fundamentally flawed and needs to be redirected...

It would be completely acceptable for the states to have government (socialized) healthcare, and there have been such (failures I might add). It is COMPLETELY UN-Constitutional to even consider a helathcare system on a national level. It is NOT by even the most progressive interpretations enumerated within the constitution. Therefore any attempts to provide a "national" (socialized) system stands in direct opposition to the constitution. This is fact and not even on the table for debate.

Washington has failed us, by first failing the Constitution. The Supreme Court, Congress, and BOTH parties have both left there dirty little fingerprints at the scene of this crime against American Liberties and NONE should be left blameless, or unaccountable.

Before you read the Bill, try reading the Constitution!

While I agree with you fully, you have to remember the Constitution died long long ago, and we're entering that historical phase all republics enter before they die.
 
Dude, if we actually followed the Constitution, we would have to abolish the Air Force.

PS: Even, the founders didn't follow the Constitution. Why in the hell should we?
Please explain.
 
Can you be more specific?
Why do you say that we would abolish the Air Force if we followed the Constitution? Is the Air Force unconstitutional? If so, how?

Why do you say that the founders didn't follow the Constitution? Please give an example?

Is that specific enough?
 
Does the Constitution grant Congress unlimited power in all matters, or limited powers as enumerated?
Don't answer a question with a question unless you want to render your original post meaningless.
 
I'm in favor of the type of single payer system they have in France.

France's model healthcare system

By Paul V. Dutton | August 11, 2007

MANY advocates of a universal healthcare system in the United States look to Canada for their model. While the Canadian healthcare system has much to recommend it, there's another model that has been too long neglected. That is the healthcare system in France.

Although the French system faces many challenges, the World Health Organization rated it the best in the world in 2001 because of its universal coverage, responsive healthcare providers, patient and provider freedoms, and the health and longevity of the country's population. The United States ranked 37.

The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.

An understanding of how France came to its healthcare system would be instructive in any renewed debate in the United States.

That's because the French share Americans' distaste for restrictions on patient choice and they insist on autonomous private practitioners rather than a British-style national health service, which the French dismiss as "socialized medicine." Virtually all physicians in France participate in the nation's public health insurance, Sécurité Sociale.

Their freedoms of diagnosis and therapy are protected in ways that would make their managed-care-controlled US counterparts envious. However, the average American physician earns more than five times the average US wage while the average French physician makes only about two times the average earnings of his or her compatriots. But the lower income of French physicians is allayed by two factors. Practice liability is greatly diminished by a tort-averse legal system, and medical schools, although extremely competitive to enter, are tuition-free. Thus, French physicians enter their careers with little if any debt and pay much lower malpractice insurance premiums.​

France's model healthcare system - The Boston Globe

That's weird - I thought the French model of health care was to surrender, and then let the enemy provide it. :mrgreen:
 
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