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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Please explain.
    Can you be more specific?

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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Can you be more specific?
    Why do you say that we would abolish the Air Force if we followed the Constitution? Is the Air Force unconstitutional? If so, how?

    Why do you say that the founders didn't follow the Constitution? Please give an example?

    Is that specific enough?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Why do you say that we would abolish the Air Force if we followed the Constitution? Is the Air Force unconstitutional? If so, how?
    Does the Constitution grant Congress unlimited power in all matters, or limited powers as enumerated?

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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Does the Constitution grant Congress unlimited power in all matters, or limited powers as enumerated?
    Don't answer a question with a question unless you want to render your original post meaningless.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    I'm in favor of the type of single payer system they have in France.

    France's model healthcare system

    By Paul V. Dutton | August 11, 2007

    MANY advocates of a universal healthcare system in the United States look to Canada for their model. While the Canadian healthcare system has much to recommend it, there's another model that has been too long neglected. That is the healthcare system in France.

    Although the French system faces many challenges, the World Health Organization rated it the best in the world in 2001 because of its universal coverage, responsive healthcare providers, patient and provider freedoms, and the health and longevity of the country's population. The United States ranked 37.

    The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.

    An understanding of how France came to its healthcare system would be instructive in any renewed debate in the United States.

    That's because the French share Americans' distaste for restrictions on patient choice and they insist on autonomous private practitioners rather than a British-style national health service, which the French dismiss as "socialized medicine." Virtually all physicians in France participate in the nation's public health insurance, Sécurité Sociale.

    Their freedoms of diagnosis and therapy are protected in ways that would make their managed-care-controlled US counterparts envious. However, the average American physician earns more than five times the average US wage while the average French physician makes only about two times the average earnings of his or her compatriots. But the lower income of French physicians is allayed by two factors. Practice liability is greatly diminished by a tort-averse legal system, and medical schools, although extremely competitive to enter, are tuition-free. Thus, French physicians enter their careers with little if any debt and pay much lower malpractice insurance premiums.


    France's model healthcare system - The Boston Globe
    That's weird - I thought the French model of health care was to surrender, and then let the enemy provide it.
    The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016

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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    It's still a work in progress, dude. Why don't we wait until they have it finalized?
    Ah.

    Yet another disciple of the church of "no criticism until it's final" -- the most stupid "argument" to come along this year.

    I'll criticize any bill in any form at any point along the legislative process -- as any responsible citizen should do.
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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Dude, if we actually followed the Constitution, we would have to abolish the Air Force.
    No. Even in the strictest sense, we'd merely re-integrate it with the Army.
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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No. Even in the strictest sense, we'd merely re-integrate it with the Army.
    Think about the principle that would establish......

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