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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : What Obama Actually Said

    The major flaw in the Anti-Republicans' approach to healthcare is the flaw in all their legislation--beyond a pandering to their own appetite for power, there is no consistent unifying principle. In the truest sense of the word, Dear Leader and the Anti-Republicans are decidedly and disturbingly unprincipled. They stand for nothing but themselves.

    Even Slick Willie stood for something. His principles got overrun by his pecker, but at least he had them.
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    I think the biggest flaw is yet to come. The bill doesn't kick in until 2013. When they pass--yes when--alotta folks are going to be lined up with two things on their minds: 1) free healthcare, 2) now. That's when we're going to see some pissed off folks.

    I mean, how stupid is it, to make all these promises and then after the bill passes people find out that they still have to wait three more years to get it.
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    I'm in favor of the type of single payer system they have in France.

    France's model healthcare system

    By Paul V. Dutton | August 11, 2007

    MANY advocates of a universal healthcare system in the United States look to Canada for their model. While the Canadian healthcare system has much to recommend it, there's another model that has been too long neglected. That is the healthcare system in France.

    Although the French system faces many challenges, the World Health Organization rated it the best in the world in 2001 because of its universal coverage, responsive healthcare providers, patient and provider freedoms, and the health and longevity of the country's population. The United States ranked 37.

    The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.

    An understanding of how France came to its healthcare system would be instructive in any renewed debate in the United States.

    That's because the French share Americans' distaste for restrictions on patient choice and they insist on autonomous private practitioners rather than a British-style national health service, which the French dismiss as "socialized medicine." Virtually all physicians in France participate in the nation's public health insurance, Sécurité Sociale.

    Their freedoms of diagnosis and therapy are protected in ways that would make their managed-care-controlled US counterparts envious. However, the average American physician earns more than five times the average US wage while the average French physician makes only about two times the average earnings of his or her compatriots. But the lower income of French physicians is allayed by two factors. Practice liability is greatly diminished by a tort-averse legal system, and medical schools, although extremely competitive to enter, are tuition-free. Thus, French physicians enter their careers with little if any debt and pay much lower malpractice insurance premiums.


    France's model healthcare system - The Boston Globe

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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    So there is no consensus in the Democratic Party about what the current health care reform effort is about. Fascinating.
    Sounds like a very good reason not to pass the monstrosity, if its authors can't even agree on something as basic as what it's about. Wouldn't you agree?
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    The Healthcare debate is fundamentally flawed and needs to be redirected...

    It would be completely acceptable for the states to have government (socialized) healthcare, and there have been such (failures I might add). It is COMPLETELY UN-Constitutional to even consider a helathcare system on a national level. It is NOT by even the most progressive interpretations enumerated within the constitution. Therefore any attempts to provide a "national" (socialized) system stands in direct opposition to the constitution. This is fact and not even on the table for debate.

    Washington has failed us, by first failing the Constitution. The Supreme Court, Congress, and BOTH parties have both left there dirty little fingerprints at the scene of this crime against American Liberties and NONE should be left blameless, or unaccountable.

    Before you read the Bill, try reading the Constitution!

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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Sounds like a very good reason not to pass the monstrosity, if its authors can't even agree on something as basic as what it's about. Wouldn't you agree?
    The Messiah refused to define something as what his conception of "victory" should be in Afghanistan, does anyone seriously expent the Messiah to publicy define his goals for the confiscation of 1/6 of the American economy?

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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    The Healthcare debate is fundamentally flawed and needs to be redirected...

    It would be completely acceptable for the states to have government (socialized) healthcare, and there have been such (failures I might add). It is COMPLETELY UN-Constitutional to even consider a helathcare system on a national level. It is NOT by even the most progressive interpretations enumerated within the constitution. Therefore any attempts to provide a "national" (socialized) system stands in direct opposition to the constitution. This is fact and not even on the table for debate.

    Washington has failed us, by first failing the Constitution. The Supreme Court, Congress, and BOTH parties have both left there dirty little fingerprints at the scene of this crime against American Liberties and NONE should be left blameless, or unaccountable.

    Before you read the Bill, try reading the Constitution!
    While I agree with you fully, you have to remember the Constitution died long long ago, and we're entering that historical phase all republics enter before they die.

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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    try reading the Constitution!
    Dude, if we actually followed the Constitution, we would have to abolish the Air Force.

    PS: Even, the founders didn't follow the Constitution. Why in the hell should we?

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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Sounds like a very good reason not to pass the monstrosity...wouldn't you agree?
    It's still a work in progress, dude. Why don't we wait until they have it finalized?

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    Re: What Obama Actually Said

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Dude, if we actually followed the Constitution, we would have to abolish the Air Force.

    PS: Even, the founders didn't follow the Constitution. Why in the hell should we?
    Please explain.
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