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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Aww, yeah, you know that's coming. He sure as hell isn't going to take responsibility for it.
    Bush's fault!!!

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Well why the hell was nothing ever addressed then? Sorry, but I posted numerous arguments using independent and NGO sources, never once were any replied to specifically.

    So what exactly is cherry picked, please do tell me?
    Look all over this site, it's been well addressed.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Bush's fault!!!
    Of course!

    When PBO's 80--he'll live that long because he's not on the public option--he'll be rocking back and forth slobbering on himself moaning, "It's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault...".
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Go for it, I don't do generalized debate.
    But will you respond to the one example I did post in this thread??

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    But will you respond to the one example I did post in this thread??
    Took a look at it, mostly irrelevant. First off, 95% increases are quite possible if the risk pool dissappears, of course, political "watchdog" groups would miss that, since they aren't involved in actually providing any aspect of healthcare, secondly I don't remember which "watchdog" you provided, but recognize them as a left leaning label, so, sorry, that combination automatically discredits anything they have to say. Bring data, not punditry.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    But will you respond to the one example I did post in this thread??
    Heh, looked at it again and am even less impressed. They don't cite any of their numbers, don't have any credible research methodology, and basically have the, "because we say so" presentation tactic throughout the piece. That particular article is a useless hack piece.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Took a look at it, mostly irrelevant. First off, 95% increases are quite possible if the risk pool dissappears, of course, political "watchdog" groups would miss that, since they aren't involved in actually providing any aspect of healthcare, secondly I don't remember which "watchdog" you provided, but recognize them as a left leaning label, so, sorry, that combination automatically discredits anything they have to say. Bring data, not punditry.
    Nice try--you really didn't bother to read it.

    I know facts can be stubborn things, but Factcheck.org was started by a conservative couple that realized the power of the internet when it comes to cutting through the punditry.

    "recognized" them as left leaning --LOL, that's rich! Do you recognize FNC as fair and balanced, too.

    I gave you facts, they didn't fit your views or position so you dismiss them as biased with some convoluted explanation.

    You wanted serious example of the conservative propaganda overkill, I gave you one, if you're not even going to read, don't waste my time.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Nice try--you really didn't bother to read it.
    Yes, I in fact did read it and it said absolutely nothing to debunk the claims that single payor is a bad thing. All they did was accuse their opposition of distorting fact, and did not provide any solid ones themselves.

    I know facts can be stubborn things, but Factcheck.org was started by a conservative couple that realized the power of the internet when it comes to cutting through the punditry.
    Maybe so, but the article lacked crucial data that I see daily as an insurance agent, they did not provide any kind of factual data and were mostly shilling for the UHC crowd, there were no valid statements in that article.

    "recognized" them as left leaning --LOL, that's rich! Do you recognize FNC as fair and balanced, too.
    FNC is center right, and statistically rates lower in bias studies than other organizations. That validates your stated source how?

    I gave you facts, they didn't fit your views or position so you dismiss them as biased with some convoluted explanation.
    No, you gave an opinion piece, and one lacking in critical thinking or relevant information, that you keep stating it as fact changes nothing.

    You wanted serious example of the conservative propaganda overkill, I gave you one, if you're not even going to read, don't waste my time.
    Yes, I wanted a serious example, and am still waiting, bring something worth my time.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    FNC is center right, and statistically rates lower in bias studies than other organizations. That validates your stated source how?
    Please do back this up, I got to see this source. This being the channel that had viewers STILL believing WMDs were found in Iraq after David Kay made his report, after the President admitted there would be no WMDs found.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Please do back this up, I got to see this source. This being the channel that had viewers STILL believing WMDs were found in Iraq after David Kay made his report, after the President admitted there would be no WMDs found.
    Here you go: Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist / UCLA Newsroom Oh, and um, UCLA is not exactly a conservative institution of learning. Or Harvard, their study found Fox to be net-neutral: Harvard Study Concludes Media Biased Towards Democrats (What a Surprise!) | The Dead Fish Wrapper Watch There were others, but I think you get the point.

    As for WMDs:Lawmakers Say WMDs Were Found In Iraq - THINK MTV The weapons were old, but still there. Everyone knows that, so don't go acting like Fox lied about that, cause that was exactly what they reported.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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