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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Well I would love an honest debate as well, except the problem has been repeatedly that your side wishes to only engage in partisan hyperbole, dishonesty, and ignorance. I gave up long time ago after seeing repeatedly your side just ignoring the actual facts we have, instead resorting to childish Obama/Socialism/Evil conspiracy government take over. I posted numerous times cold hard facts dealing with the current state of our health care system, and nobody ever cared to actually address the problems. Instead it has been tiresome emotional fear based rhetoric over and over.

    FYI, maybe some have railed on and on about what it is NOT going to do, because again your side can only engage in dishonesty about the facts. Where has your side even addressed the core issues? They have not, instead we get the same "Killy Granny" rhetoric. Well how in the hell is anyone suppose to have an honest debate when one side is simply pulling something out their you know what?

    Your side wrote the bill and still can't tell us what's in it. What's up with that?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    so you are going to edit out all the email address' associated with the chain email?? Yeah right
    It is not exactly rocket science involved in e-mailing a link to a website, or simply forwarding an e-mail to just one recipient. But you enjoy yourself with this big vast evil conspiracy.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your side wrote the bill and still can't tell us what's in it. What's up with that?
    There is no bill until it is passed, you know that.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Well I would love an honest debate as well, except the problem has been repeatedly that your side wishes to only engage in partisan hyperbole, dishonesty, and ignorance. I gave up long time ago after seeing repeatedly your side just ignoring the actual facts we have, instead resorting to childish Obama/Socialism/Evil conspiracy government take over. I posted numerous times cold hard facts dealing with the current state of our health care system, and nobody ever cared to actually address the problems. Instead it has been tiresome emotional fear based rhetoric over and over.
    Stop trying to claim some kind of high ground here, I have seen you post the same irrelevant data that the UHC side has been cherry picking for years, the stuff that makes the U.S. system look worse at face value until it is explained in context, your "facts" are not as solid as you think.

    FYI, maybe some have railed on and on about what it is NOT going to do, because again your side can only engage in dishonesty about the facts.
    Which facts do you want honestly answered? You're making the blank assertion here, back it up.
    Where has your side even addressed the core issues?
    Check the entire site, it's all over these forums, I myself have addressed the history of expense in the U.S. in detail.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    There is no bill until it is passed, you know that.
    Um, I think you might want to rethink that statement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    [quote=LaMidRighter;1058173900]
    Care to state what's mis-leading that you disagree with, the opposition has pretty much been spot on from what I see. Give me one specific thing the opposition got wrong and we can discuss it, otherwise this looks like a defensive talking point.
    God, where do I start... it's been a hyper-partisan cluster**** of propaganda and misinformation from conservative groups and GOP reps and Senators.

    If you have one that has attempted to engage in an honest pro/con debate offering workable modifications within the framework of the plan, I'd love to hear about him/her.

    But, okay, here's one for starters:

    CPR Administers Bad Facts, Again

    The latest ad from the group Conservatives for Patients’ Rights claims that "new rules could hike your health insurance premiums 95 percent." That’s misleading.

    The claim in the ad refers to only 5 percent of Americans who have health insurance – those who buy it on their own.

    The claim comes from an analysis by a group that advocates for insurance carriers that sell policies in the individual market, among other areas.

    That analysis also doesn’t take into consideration several elements of leading congressional legislation that other experts say will keep premium costs down – and in fact, lower premiums for some. Other independent studies show premium costs decreasing on average for Americans that currently have health coverage.

    It’s not true that any of the health care overhaul measures that have been approved by committees in Congress would add "a trillion to the federal deficit," as the ad says. The Senate bill would add roughly $597 billion over 10 years, and the House bill that was approved by the Ways and Means Committee in mid-July would add a much smaller $239 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
    How about I post others where everyone can see them and discuss?

    Fair enough?

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your side wrote the bill and still can't tell us what's in it. What's up with that?
    Well this here is a prime example of honesty/dishonesty in a debate. You are simply repeating something best fit for a blogosphere or talk radio. Do you really want to know what is in the bill? First, tell me which bill in which committee. Hah, see the problem there?

    On the other hand, it is perfectly acceptable to point out a provision or amendment in a specific bill that is in currently with a specific committee. There is no overall grand bill to speak of, nor can we even discuss this. If you take one singular issue, well that could be in one House committee, but not in another Senate committee.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    There is no bill until it is passed, you know that.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Um, I think you might want to rethink that statement.
    that was a pretty ****ing retarded statement

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Well this here is a prime example of honesty/dishonesty in a debate. You are simply repeating something best fit for a blogosphere or talk radio. Do you really want to know what is in the bill? First, tell me which bill in which committee. Hah, see the problem there?

    On the other hand, it is perfectly acceptable to point out a provision or amendment in a specific bill that is in currently with a specific committee. There is no overall grand bill to speak of, nor can we even discuss this. If you take one singular issue, well that could be in one House committee, but not in another Senate committee.
    and yet, despite that, you support dear leader with eyes closed

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Turn in your co-workers @whitehouse.gov

    I'm going to be charitable and call this person a lady when there is another more accurate but derogatory name for her type on the tip of my tongue. She's a G.D. liar in the first degree. Right off the bat she says you will be able to keep your present health care plan. Yes you can but in certain circumstances, and then only for a short time. Now I did't cobble together different parts of the bill. I listened to Der Fuhrer in Chief Obama in his own words and aI am continuously searching portions of it as questions arise. Obama wants a system that will ration health care, create massively long waiting periods before you can receive care, force everyone on to the plan at some point in time, allow ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT SHOULD BE DEPORTED TO RECEIVE FREE CARE, and like Oregon provide for Assisted suicide rather than prolong the life of people who the commission deems as useless eaters.
    It's all there all you have to do is read the stinking thing and you'll see it for your self.
    Good luck and keep the pressure on the Liberals to end this Reign of Terror on the best health care system on earth.
    http://www.jeffhead.com/HC-HouseII.pdf

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